Originally posted by blackSt33L
Thats what people want.Hard proof evidence.
Yep, hard evidence is a good thing.
September 19,1961 Betty and Barny Hill reported beings abducted.
Nice hard fact. We can prove it, and more to the point, disprove it if it's false.
It is highly unlikely that this abduction could of been anything else.Not to mention both betty and Barny Hill could not have dreams or imagined
this event at the same time. with exactly the saem details.
Oops, back to opinion and conjecture. There's nothing wrong with opinion or conjecture, but we do need to recognize it as such.
Many tests and hypnosis were done on the Hills regarding this event.
Again, a nice neat fact.
"Stanton T. Friedman", a nuclear physicist had said that the hIlls were not nuts and suffered no illness or minor mental problems to imagine this
abduction up.Not to mention,many close friends and associates of the Hills would never conclude that the Hills were nuts,they were just your average
everyday american couple.
Hmmm...more difficult, this is opinion wrapped up as fact. Everyone may not completely agree with Mr. Friedman or the Hill's buddies. But I'll
accept it as a fact the he and they do feel that way.
Quote: (Henry Regnery Company, 1972): "Under repeated hypnosis they independently revealed what had supposedly happened...
This I like. It's sounds like the direct report of qualified observer. But the 'repeated hypnosis' bothers me.
Betty and Barney Hill had said these beings gave them a clear discription of the star system they had originated from.
This I will differ with. Only under repeated hypnosis did they "remember" these details. There have been a number of current studies into the
'false memory' problem: Google
provides a good start for
information on both sides of the issue. I also recall that Betty used words more like "...where they come from..."; to me, the map looks like the
DFW Metroplex, including the old I-30 turnpike between Dallas and Ft. Worth.
So, it proves...what? It is evidence, true, and some of it quite compelling (although some of it screams to me "Beware of hynotherapists!"), but it
demonstrates...what? People have strange experiences? Ok, people have strange experiences and report being abducted and 'probed'. I'm still
waiting for the proof that it's extraterrestrials.
93% of all close encounters or abduction discribes the same being, the grey.
That's a hard number. Source?
Have you noticed a trend for 'greys' to evolve? In the 40's and 50's it seems like they looked like people, but a few years later they were silver
and/or green. Some have been in black leotards, if I recall correctly, and even some in light, almost white outfits. Now they're grayish. And
didn't they used to have antennas sticking out from their ear bulges?
...an estimated 3 million people all over the globe who have reported being abducted.
Semi-hard number. Who's estimate?
A large fraction of these reports were of a similar being to that of a Grey, same saucer type.
Again, source? Your own research or passing on something you read?
In my readings I have a sense that every encounter is a bit different, that the only things common are:
-- small human(oid)s, but not small all
-- silver craft;
-- if abducted, the event almost always started with a close sighting;
-- victim often feels sick or drowsy or hot before abduction;
-- medical exam;
-- temporal confusion and/or 'missing time' (amnesia).
Yep, I think they saw something. I also know for a fact
that the spooks
(CIA/NRO/etc) were there first, by several years, and seemed to be VERY interested in that spot.
How do you explain abduction in rural areas where people have no means of elctronic or media entertainment and yet report exact discriptions of
U.F.O`s and aliens beings
They don't necessarily report aliens. They report strange things, which we (well, not all of us) interpret and report as alien.
...(statistics, yada, yada, yada)...
You explain to me NOW how so many people report the same sightings of saucers and close encounter. You tell me now that all those people are
They're not imagining things. They're just not seeing aliens. I'll explain on my own schedule, thanks.
You tell me right now that these objects were air balloons. I dare you.You tell many others who were there in DC when this happend that these are
Blimps. Airships. Not balloons. There's a big difference.
Hey folks! Those things you saw in DC in '52 were probably airships. Yep, stupid old blimps.Ha! You
thought you didn't need a new national
radar system, but those blimp guys showed you, right? Oh...you thought they were space ships? You mean, nobody noticed they came from the direction of
the Aberdeen Proving Ground
Lakehurst blimp base
? Oh, well...sorry.
Are you really prepared to tell some of the members here, who have been abducted before that they are imagining all this?
Your words, not mine. Actually, I am eager to communicate with abductees. I have theories to confirm, remember?
Do you really have the nerve to come onto a very serious sight such as this and question the existence of these beings, dispite the mounting
evidence of 1000`s possibly 100,00`s of reports of abductions,millions of UFO sightings,crop circle occurences,Peru Nazca lines,and physicle evidence
such as body marks?
Can and do. Like I said, the believers and UFOlogists have had at least 60 years and haven't come up with squat. You haven't either, I notice, just
repeating stuff you've read elsewhere.
Do you really believe that your going to change everyone with evidence you have provided in the last thread?
Nope, but every encounter is a learning experience.
... the nerve to come onto a site like this and disprove many beliefs...
If I can disprove anything, it was bogus to begin with.
You might try to understand, although that may be beyond your abilities, that I am here for answers, not just more questions. And strangely enough,
I'm getting some. I may not have all the answers yet, but I think I'm seeing more than any oof-ologist in the past decades. I love
Barney; I love
the Zimbabwe kids. They're going to help me prove my case. And, if it's not too much hubris, maybe I'll be able to offer
some closure to those victims you cry over so much.
I notice you haven't actually tried to counter any argument I've made, or provide counter-evidence, or show me where I've erred. If you don't mid,
I'll keep plodding along, finding new facts and connections and letting everybody know about them.