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New American Civil War!

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posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 05:04 AM
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G'day all,

I'd like to know what are your thoughts on the possibility of the US government, under Bush, pushing the public to the limit where they won't take anymore and rise up in a national revolt - a Civil War!

Please check out the following link that I've found on the net -

www.hermes-press.com...

It explains alot why you people, well the majority anyway are blinded by the occurences going on around you.

I know most of you have heard of John Titor and him mentioning this occuring, but lets take him out of the equation for a second. The US Congress is continuing to push through anti-democratic laws that strip aaway your rights and freedoms. Taking away everything that your nation was supposedly built on. Sacrificed many many of your own citizens in planned and orchestrated masacres on US soil to sway public opinion in the favour of their policies and future policies.

How many more must die for the US public to realise that they are being shafted by a shadow government who installed a dumb redneck clown as their puppet president to talk for the, whilst they orchestrare ways to run America down to financial, physical, and geo-political ruin?

I beleive that sooner or later, the american people will rise up against their dictatorship in the making and regain control of the nation back into the hands of the people - yeah, some may day, maybe many, but it sure as hell would be for a better cause than for the oil in Iraq!

I beleive with public opinion going mostly against the Bush presidency, it will only take a small spark to start the firestorm of revolt.

My prophecy.....I reckon Bush will stage a large high school masacre or the like, to, (just like in Australia with the Martyn Bryant case) justify gettin rid of all the automatic rifles, semi automatic rifles, pump actions and handguns. And there goes your 2nd or 4rd ammendment, that allows you to bear arms. Once this happens, it is too late for the government have the upper hand and you picks and shovels will not help you one bit. GOOD LUCK AMERICA!


Melbourne_Militia

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[edit on 3/26/2006 by cmdrkeenkid]




posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 04:24 PM
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First:
Fix your typos because what you said is riddled with them.
Second:
Looked over the website...... and frankly I think the person who wrote it needs to think really hard on some of their statements. The nation is NOT in a civil war, civil war is defined as an armed revolt. Next like I have said before for years: How can you fight an enemy who cares nothing for peace, and how can you fight them peacefully when they are planning to round up those who oppose them strongly? As the person said they have control of the police, military, and other "enforcement" groups so they can easily round you up when they are ready to start their 1984 (we are in the pre-1984 or a settup stage right now) and I think I do not have to say anything else on the subject, that kind of sums it all up for now.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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Am having some wonky dejavu thing going on or was this same exact thing posted a few weeks back?

Spiderj



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 04:42 PM
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Rising up against the gov would be revolution not civil war.

Civil war is a war between different factions within a country.

Revoution is when the poplation rises up against it's government.

And your prophesy has already happened, and other anti-gun laws are pending in many states.

If we had a revolution, what would replace what we have? How many would die?

I am anti-government, but violent revolution doesn't work, never has, look at history. We need to look more towards what Gandhi did if you really want to change the way things are done. The government is violence, that's what we are trying to stop. Using violence against violence only increases the violence, it doesn't change anything.

We need to change the populations mind set, re-education, de-programing, civil disabedience. They only have the power because we except that power.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
I am anti-government, but violent revolution doesn't work, never has, look at history.


OK, lets start with the history of the USA. Looks to me like violent revolution gave birth to the most wealthy civilization in recorded history, leading to the most powerful empire the world has known.(Now in horrible decline)

Then we have the Wall Street financed socialist revolutions of the past two centuries all over the world. Never have so many people been slaughtered, and so much power been accumulated.

I'm sure your statement was conceived of from a common individuals point of view, but then that's not who starts revolutions. From the point of view of the power mad, mammon obsessed tyrants who are responsible for all war, it is in fact quite effective.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 11:00 PM
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I dont think anyone has listened yet:
How can you fight someone who does NOT CARE AT ALL what you think, and also dominates your lives?
How can you keep "protesting" when they will probably start martial law (not yet but soon at this rate) and round you up?
Ghandi never succeeded, he was settup: The British left because they had someplace to go to, however they still dominated the economy, and now the USA dominates them.
So in reality it didnt work, they just changed masters and India is still not free.
Peace nor war work, why? because no one finishes the job, they let the ones who started this get away, or they destroy the scapegoats but leave the real enemy behind. NOTHING will EVER work unless you take ALL your enemies down.
Violence only breed more violence depending on how you use it, in Iraq its breeding more war, in WW2 it ended it and now Europe is not killing itself.
It all depends on how you use war and peace.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 11:11 PM
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not bloody likely mate

and a revolution

would only occur

if the american people

ever come of of their trance !


so far , most are still under the spell...



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 11:54 PM
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First of all, I haven't seen any of my rights taken away by the current administration and second, staging a Columbine-type assault to stir the publics support of banning private ownership of firearms is only a dream in a demented mind.

It's like a bumper sticker I seen in South Carolina several years ago. It went like this: "In most states, the Constitution protects the rights of those who wish to bear arms. In South Carolina, those who bear arms protect the Constitution."

I. for one, really like the message on this persons bumper sticker. The same feeling should be universal.



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by resistor
I'm sure your statement was conceived of from a common individuals point of view, but then that's not who starts revolutions. From the point of view of the power mad, mammon obsessed tyrants who are responsible for all war, it is in fact quite effective.


Yeah different kind of revolution comrade. I wouldn't call that revolution personaly, more like devolution.


And I disagree that anything has been made better for the common man by ANY revolution or devolution by the bourgeoisie.


You talk about your revolution, well, that's fine
But what are you going to be doing come the time?
Are you going to be the big man with the tommy-gun?
Will you talk of freedom when the blood begins to run?
Well, freedom has no value if violence is the price
Don't want your revolution, I want anarchy and peace.

You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool
You speak of liberation and when the people rule
Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be?
Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me. Crass



[edit on 26/3/2006 by ANOK]



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Intelearthling
First of all, I haven't seen any of my rights taken away by the current administration and second, staging a Columbine-type assault to stir the publics support of banning private ownership of firearms is only a dream in a demented mind.

It's like a bumper sticker I seen in South Carolina several years ago. It went like this: "In most states, the Constitution protects the rights of those who wish to bear arms. In South Carolina, those who bear arms protect the Constitution."

I. for one, really like the message on this persons bumper sticker. The same feeling should be universal.


Agreed, and I dont think you non americans realise what would happen in the US if they started talking about banning private ownership of weapons. Red flags would immediately go up and many would head to the hills in true red dawn fashion. So that aint happening.



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 02:26 AM
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Maybe your rights have't been abused, but don't think for a minute nobody elses have...


Governor Bush's complacency with the high number of executions in Texas, his refusal to acknowledge the extensively documented lack of adequate legal representation for capital defendants in Texas, and his refusal to oppose the execution of even mentally handicapped defendants or youthful offenders generated widespread media attention and criticism.


www.hrw.org...

Do you think anything has really changed since that report?



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 02:37 AM
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as much as the north and the south still dislike one another i think we need each other.



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 06:26 AM
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I'll buy into a possible revolution - but not a civil war. We Americans sort of like each other in quirky little ways so I doubt that you'll see us fighting in out own streets against each other. I do, however, feel that the time is coming nigh to execute our rights under the Constitution and decommission the existing government. This government is nothing more than an oligarchy wrapped in an aristocracy. Politicians are owned by corporations and private interest groups and the high alter is global trade. Each and every one of them has betrayed their oath to office and should be tried for treason amongst other high crimes.

I have seen it said more than once that Americans are in a trance and with this I agree. It is the old, "As long as I still have my beer and my TV, then I'm alright and everything is fine" mentality. I really wish that epople would wake up and help restore this country back to it's founding principles. And if any American can recall (Cuz Lord knows they ain't teaching it in school now) the founding fathers fully intended for our government to be disbanded and rebuilt many times over - in fact they wrote it into the Constitution. Isn't it time that we execise our rights as provided for by our founding fathers? Just a thought...



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 06:47 PM
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Kozmo, excellent post.



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 09:07 PM
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I couldnt agree with you more Kozmo, if the constitution were taught properly in US schools, then wouldnt you think that every student would understand what you have said about the public being able to disband the government and rebuild a new administration for the people that is true and just and fair?

I'm here in Australia, so I cant preach about what the US school system is like, for I do not have any experience about it, but with so much of the US public against the current administration, don't you think that it'd only take someone to advertise this section of the Constitution on billboards or television to notify the public of their rights?

If the public knew that they had the power to legally overthrow the Government in power, then I think more people would be doing something about it. It's not just for the benefit of the US citizens (even thou they would be the immediate benefiters), but the whole world aswell.

We need the America that stood by it's values, that promoted it's values that it was built on, and an America that leads by example for the whole world to see. I think my initial post was not clearly defined, I didnt mean, and shouldnt have written Civicl War, but Revolution instead, for I know that Americans love the way they live, and each other as a whole, I didnt mean for the public to start fighting each other, but for the public to rise up together in a extreme show of People Power.

Please continue to forward your thoughts and Ideas as I and many others find them very interesting. There has got to be many more people out there, especially americans who think as i do,,.....isnt there?

Melbourne_Militia




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