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Nazis registered descendants of witches and sorcerers ?

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posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 11:53 PM
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the swastika is the symbol of the sun and is directly related to the sun god baal...or lucifer. baal was known as nimrod the king of babylon. they sun symbol is all over this planet including not only the nazis but the catholic church, ancient egypt and the government of the united states...starting at babylon and all thru history you can find it. if you just start looking you can find it everywhere. lucifer always leaves his mark.




posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Hmmm the idea that witches are evil is a myth. It was ignorance that caused women to be burned as witches, not any kind of evil black magic.
So I doubt this story has any truth to it.


Don't overlook the effects of Ergot. Many so-called possessions and "sightings" of witchery was due to the introduction and ingestion of this fungus by local inhabitants causing major hallucinations and dellusions of grandeur. It is a precursor to the drug of choice for Ken Kesey and the gang...You know turn on tune in drop out...It is an '___' precursor

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posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 01:29 AM
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Yep it was many things, but to believe all those women were really witches is as we say here, ignorant. Stoners maybe...LOL but not practitioners of evil black magic.



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Funkydung
the swastika is the symbol of the sun and is directly related to the sun god baal...or lucifer.


"Ba'al" is a word that literally means "lord" and was applied to various Semitic deities, including Yahweh. However the sawastika, which is of Indian origin, was never related to any Semitic deity. In fact, the swastika in a religious context is found most prominently in Buddhism.


baal was known as nimrod the king of babylon.


Do you have a reference for this?



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by suzy ryan
All those witches helping to usher in the NWO, may want to ponder that the current Pope has a Nazi background

If by being forced into a group by the nazis gives a person a nazi background, then sure, he's got one, and so does everyone else of his age from germany.

and if his Catholic Church were to become The One World Religion,

Christianity will probably never become the sole religion in the world.

funkydung
and is directly related to the sun god baal

Baal is not a sun god. Strictly speaking, Baal is a title, like 'lord'. There were sun-baals, but there were also river-baals, heaven-baals, etc.

baal was known as nimrod the king of babylon

Where are you getting this information from?

starting at babylon and all thru history you can find it.

Thats probably because the sun has been there for man throughout history. Its an impressive thing in the sky, people are bound to use it as a symbol.


masonic light
However the sawastika, which is of Indian origin

Actually the swatstika pre-dates the vedic religions, in fact its apparently one of the oldest symbols around. I recall that there is a pre-historic artefact, a carving in the shape of a bird, with wings outstretched, that has a swastika on each wing, which is interesting to see that its also most anciently associated with birds (as it was amoung the nazis). So I am not even sure if its really accurate to say that it was, originally, a Sun wheel too.



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Hmmm the idea that witches are evil is a myth. It was ignorance that caused women to be burned as witches, not any kind of evil black magic.
So I doubt this story has any truth to it.


NOT ALL witches are good... 'good' either..... there ARE BOTH KINDS & EVERYONE KNOWS HITLER WAS INTO THE OCCULT..

YES! During the 'buring times' many innocent ppl were killed, but not all of them werew good or innocent....
NOTHING IS TOTALLY THIs or that

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Hitler was VERY INTO OCCULT. He consulted an astrologer & had extensive books on other occult subjects. We will never really know the FULL extent of his interest or that of the SS ...
Thanks for posting this..



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Funkydung
the swastika is the symbol of the sun and is directly related to the sun god baal...or lucifer. baal was known as nimrod the king of babylon. they sun symbol is all over this planet including not only the nazis but the catholic church, ancient egypt and the government of the united states...starting at babylon and all thru history you can find it. if you just start looking you can find it everywhere. lucifer always leaves his mark.


The symbol you're speaking of is older than that.
It belongs to the NATIVE AMERICANS ALSO & IS NOT EVIL



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 05:02 PM
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I obviously disagree that the sign of Nazism had any meaning in polytheism with literal heavens and underworlds (it's a concept associated with reincarnation, birth death rebirth, you get the picture). Nimrod's actual reign may have been hard to trace down (what do you expect from something so ancient?) but nobody can deny the bizzare similarities between Tammuz, Hadad, and their counterparts ( Horus and Osiris in Egypt, Thor and Odin in the Northlands, Hercules and Jupiter in Rome, and so forth). All these myths sound too much alike, too similar to the Biblical Nimrod who set himself up as a God and reigned from Babylon. It can be argued that they derive from his rule who's tight tyranny over all of mankind for a long period of time left an indelible mark, the belief then mutating into thousands of different forms all over the world. How else can a Mesoamerican God such as Votan have the same name,theology,creation myth, and so forth as a European God such as Odin/Wotan ? Ive seen people claiming that the human brain is "hardwired" to propagate certain archtypes over and over (an idea first proposed by Frazier, popularised by Joseph Campbell in America and Europe) but wouldn't it make more sense to just say that they obviously have a primal source?



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 05:42 PM
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Just a couple of points; The current Pope is scaring the hell out of alot of people, google, Nazi Pope, and browse the opinions and their source. Sure the Catholic sites say good things and the anti-Catholic sites say bad things but he was a bit more than someone who 'suffered' under Nazi rule.

Also, I mentioned the Catholic Church, NOT Christianity. They really are very different. For starters Christians know better than to call Ratzinger, 'Holy Father'. I was raised and married Catholic and the last thing any of them would do is help me study The Bible, then when I did it myself, I understood why.



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by isisinanna

Originally posted by ANOK
Hmmm the idea that witches are evil is a myth. It was ignorance that caused women to be burned as witches, not any kind of evil black magic.
So I doubt this story has any truth to it.


NOT ALL witches are good... 'good' either..... there ARE BOTH KINDS & EVERYONE KNOWS HITLER WAS INTO THE OCCULT..


You are right, re-reading what I said about witches not being evil was wrong. What I meant was not all the women who they burned at the stake were really evil witches, that was the point I was trying to make. Not sure what I was thnking when I said that.

Just that most of those that were killed were not wiches at all, so if any Nazi decended ffom them really means nothing except their ancestors were wrongly accused by an ignorant male dominated society that didn't stand for strong dominant women.

If we still had that ignorant thinking now, women libers would be accused of witchcraft and killed.



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
"Ba'al" is a word that literally means "lord" and was applied to various Semitic deities,


Actually ba'al was also part of the pagan believes before the bible.

Ba'al is refer in two groups of text that depict the creation myth, the Babylonian myth Enuma Elish and the Ugarit, in northern Syria Basically, Ba‘al was the storm god, the bringer of rain, and thus fertility, to the land.

If you read both myths then you understand that Ba'al was just another God in the family of rival Gods of the ancient.

How he became link to Satan. . . well that is something Christianity has to do with.

Ba'al was link to rituals and perhaps that where the supernatural satanic link came to be.




While we have no surviving Canaanite religious texts, the accounts of Ba‘al worship in the Old Testament correspond closely to the existing versions of the Ba‘al myth and what we know of religious practices in surrounding areas. The influence of this religious system on Israel can hardly be overestimated.


Many Christians seems to forget that most of the humble beginnings of the bible are accounts of the humble beginnings of the people that later became Israel these were their Gods and their religious struggles.

www.cresourcei.org...

Sorry for changing the original topic.





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posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Funkydung
the swastika is the symbol of the sun and is directly related to the sun god baal...or lucifer.


"Ba'al" is a word that literally means "lord" and was applied to various Semitic deities, including Yahweh. However the sawastika, which is of Indian origin, was never related to any Semitic deity. In fact, the swastika in a religious context is found most prominently in Buddhism.


baal was known as nimrod the king of babylon.


Do you have a reference for this?



The restoration of history begins with this chapter. It has taken years of research to recover all the vital pieces of evidence needed to tell the full story. The assumptions of historians and archaeologists had first to be cleared away. The most difficult part, however, was the recovery of rejected evidence -- much of it published over 100 years ag.

At last the restoration of the framework of history was complete for Egypt, Babylonia, Assyria, Greece, Media. All the records went back to one momentous event.

The event? The building of the City and Tower of Babel! The beginning of the civilization of this world! It commenced as an act of rebellion against the Government of God. It began with the establishment of the Government of Man. And just as one might expect, all the ancient nations began to reckon their kings from this event.

cgca.net...



Nimrod means "tyrant". He led the Sumerians of Babylon to pay tribute
to the skies (sun, moon, stars, planets) with the sacrifice of their
children. The Tower of Babel was built for this purpose, echoed in
other cultures such as the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas. Since the head
of this government was such an idolatrous tyrant, Shem (Nimrod's
uncle) killed him. Nimrod's mother, Semiramis, consoled the people by
making them believe the child she carried was Nimrod "reincarnated"
-- and named him "Duzu" (Tammuz), Babylonian for the son who rises.
This Duzu went into the groves (forests) and placed a gift on a tree
to honor Nimrod each year at the winter solstice. It has been said
that Duzu was the offspring of Nimrod, who mated with his mother.
Nimrod became known as Baal, meaning LORD, and was worshipped by the
Babylonians as the sun in the sky -- thus the origin of "going to the
heavens" at death.


www.hebroots.org...


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posted on Mar, 28 2006 @ 01:22 AM
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We didn't link Baal to Satan, Judaism did. Elijah to be specific. Baal became Beelzebub after his priests were humiliated.



posted on Mar, 28 2006 @ 07:21 AM
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Yes nazis worship satan, they are satanic. They also took the symbol of the sun, it was known as a good symbol, but they took it and turned it around. The swastika is their symbol they use. Dzit di gaii is Black Sun in german. This is enscribed on the floors at the denver international airport. The whole thing is sinister. It's even shaped like a swastika. It's suppossed to be the west center for New World order control...and it will be.

Also the "Holocaust" was a sacrifice to Satan..or whoever they worshipped.. Well, Holocaust means "sacrifice" and they sacrificed those people under their phallic shaped buildngs...just like how our government did a sacrifice with the twin towers....

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posted on Mar, 28 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Funkydung





The event? The building of the City and Tower of Babel! The beginning of the civilization of this world! It commenced as an act of rebellion against the Government of God. It began with the establishment of the Government of Man. And just as one might expect, all the ancient nations began to reckon their kings from this event.


The problem with this story is that appears to be mythological. There is no evidence that it ever occured, any more than the stories from Greek mythology.



Nimrod means "tyrant".


Actually, it means "hunter", and the Bible itself describes Nimrod as "a mighty hunter before the Lord".


He led the Sumerians of Babylon to pay tribute
to the skies (sun, moon, stars, planets) with the sacrifice of their
children. The Tower of Babel was built for this purpose, echoed in
other cultures such as the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas. Since the head
of this government was such an idolatrous tyrant, Shem (Nimrod's
uncle) killed him. Nimrod's mother, Semiramis, consoled the people by
making them believe the child she carried was Nimrod "reincarnated"
-- and named him "Duzu" (Tammuz), Babylonian for the son who rises.
This Duzu went into the groves (forests) and placed a gift on a tree
to honor Nimrod each year at the winter solstice. It has been said
that Duzu was the offspring of Nimrod, who mated with his mother.
Nimrod became known as Baal, meaning LORD, and was worshipped by the
Babylonians as the sun in the sky -- thus the origin of "going to the
heavens" at death.


That entire story is taken from legends in the Midrash and the later rabbis. None of it is mentioned in the Bible, nor is there any evidence for it. Most historians agree that Nimrod himself probably existed, but all these stories about him were cooked up long after he'd died.



posted on Mar, 28 2006 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

That entire story is taken from legends in the Midrash and the later rabbis. None of it is mentioned in the Bible, nor is there any evidence for it. Most historians agree that Nimrod himself probably existed, but all these stories about him were cooked up long after he'd died.


Kind of what the bible stories are about also, most are just accounts after the facts.

Including the new testament.



posted on Mar, 28 2006 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
That entire story is taken from legends in the Midrash and the later rabbis. None of it is mentioned in the Bible, nor is there any evidence for it. Most historians agree that Nimrod himself probably existed, but all these stories about him were cooked up long after he'd died.




The problem with this story is that appears to be mythological. There is no evidence that it ever occured, any more than the stories from Greek mythology


The word "Babel" is Scriptural Hebrew's rendition of "Babylon," the great metropolis where the book of Genesis tells of a building project that went famously awry. The city's ruins lie an hour's drive south of Iraq's modern capital — a geographical proximity we could dismiss as meaningless were it not for the fact that Saddam insists that his regime stands in a direct line of succession from Babylon's kings, and were it not also for the fact that the Bible's story of Babel and its Tower casts a hopeful light on current events in that country.

www.nationalreview.com...

www.bible-prophecy.com...

architecture.about.com...



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posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Funkydung


The word "Babel" is Scriptural Hebrew's rendition of "Babylon,"


Sort of, but scriptural Hebrew presents "Babel" and "Babylon" as different words, the latter ending with the Hebrew letter Nun. But it seems probable that "Babel" was just an earlier name for Babylon.


the great metropolis where the book of Genesis tells of a building project that went famously awry. The city's ruins lie an hour's drive south of Iraq's modern capital — a geographical proximity we could dismiss as meaningless were it not for the fact that Saddam insists that his regime stands in a direct line of succession from Babylon's kings, and were it not also for the fact that the Bible's story of Babel and its Tower casts a hopeful light on current events in that country.


No one is disputing that Babylon existed. It's just that the legend of the tower appears to be a mythological history of Babylon's founding, just as the myth of Romulus and Remus concerning the founding of Rome.



posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Nakash
I obviously disagree that the sign of Nazism had any meaning in polytheism with literal heavens and underworlds (it's a concept associated with reincarnation, birth death rebirth, you get the picture). Nimrod's actual reign may have been hard to trace down (what do you expect from something so ancient?) but nobody can deny the bizzare similarities between Tammuz, Hadad, and their counterparts ( Horus and Osiris in Egypt, Thor and Odin in the Northlands, Hercules and Jupiter in Rome, and so forth). All these myths sound too much alike, too similar to the Biblical Nimrod who set himself up as a God and reigned from Babylon.

THe problem is that these myths predate nimrod. Also, how close are they?? Often I've seen people say that the eastern myths are of nimrod, and from that that because the western myths have similarities, that they are from nimrod also, rather than showing that nimrod was the source of the eastern myths.

How else can a Mesoamerican God such as Votan have the same name,theology,creation myth, and so forth as a European God such as Odin/Wotan

The names are similar, but what of it? Importantly, the languages are very different, and seperated long before babylon was around. If there was an original prototype carried with these two peoples, then the name woudl've changed along with the language, in a relatively systematic way, but it didn't. Instead, we just have a coincidence of similar sounding words for a 'big god'.
Also, if Nimrod was the prototype, why is it Wotan in scandanavia and Votan in mesoamerica? It should be something like nimrod in both, especially if its being preserved in these two distant groups.

but wouldn't it make more sense to just say that they obviously have a primal source?

It could be a case of diffusion, but then it'd have to operate like diffusion. If it was nimrod, you would've have wotan and votan in different corners of the earth, and then all sorts of other names in between. Also, we need to look at the details of the myth and ask, is it something that can only appear because of diffusion and spread from an original source? Many stories about the gods, for example, invovle a 'god on a stick'. Like Innana in the underworld, or Jesus, or any of the shamanistic myths that involve traveling up a growing tree into the heavens. Even chimps, apparently, will 'dance' ritualistically and as a group, around tall trees sometimes.
So did it spread from an original source? Is it hardwired into man's neurons? Or is there a similarity in the myths because, essentially, people live in the same world and have the same sorts of experiences?


The current Pope is scaring the hell out of alot of people

Irrelevant.

but he was a bit more than someone who 'suffered' under Nazi rule

No, he wasn't. The Nazis forced all young people into the Hitler Youth. Ratzinger was one of those young people. He is no different than practically any german his age, they were all forced, as a class, into the organization.

I mentioned the Catholic Church, NOT Christianity. They really are very different.

Catholics beleive in jesus christ as lord and as one part of the trinity. Catholics are trinitarian christians. Anyway, there are plenty of threads to slam catholicism in.

marg
you read both myths then you understand that Ba'al was just another God

Usually the way the name is used appears more as a title. Similar to "Moloch". We don't see a god called "Mr. Moloch", rather we see gods refered to as 'moloch', similar to how christians call jesus 'lord'. Moloch is a semitic word, similar to 'malik', and can mean 'angel' (or a heavenly being)or 'king'. So the Storm God, for example, could be called 'moloch, baal', meaning the 'lord of the storms' or what not, rather than, say, Jupiter and such, which are more proper names.
Though, even Jupiter might be from some sort of proto-indo-european word like 'dyaus pater' "Sky Father / Father Sky", etc.


funkydung
The building of the City and Tower of Babel! The beginning of the civilization of this world!

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Cities were developing long before there was a city of babylon, and the 'tower of babel', if anything, is just the tall temple that was in babylon.

with the sacrifice of their children.

This seems to be the usual bable that all pagans sacrifice children. Truth is, the isrealites were the ones doing it, its in the bible, that a group of ammonite isrealites were putting their kids into sacrificial fires to an idol.

The word "Babel" is Scriptural Hebrew's rendition of "Babylon,"

The fact that the hebrew texts don't get the name of one of the biggest and most famous cities of its time completely wrong doesn't mean that the story should be taken as absolute fact. Greek myths mention specific place names also, what of it?

whitelightwolf
Yes nazis worship satan,

There is no evidence that the nazis worshipped satan. Some nazis were ferverent christers, others wanted to re-develop what they thought was the old norse religion, satan is not part of that pantheon.

Well, Holocaust means "sacrifice"

The nazis didn't call it the holocaust. A holo-caust means 'all fire'.



posted on Mar, 29 2006 @ 02:38 PM
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whitelightwolf
Yes nazis worship satan,

There is no evidence that the nazis worshipped satan. Some nazis were ferverent christers, others wanted to re-develop what they thought was the old norse religion, satan is not part of that pantheon.

Well, Holocaust means "sacrifice"

The nazis didn't call it the holocaust. A holo-caust means 'all fire'.


Yes they did Nygdan. And yes holocaust does mean sacrifice. "Holocaust" is a word of Greek origin meaning "sacrifice by fire < see?

You must understand that DZIT DI GAII means black sun, black sun was SATANISM. so there you go... But wait, there is more. No back then, during the holocaust the nazis including the all time infamous joseph mengele created this MK ultra> Mind control. This is what they used. MK standing for Mind control in german. They studied witch craft, astral projection, remote viewing, telekensis, and many other paranormal things...they were into the cult.

Nygdan the following information I have presented is proof positive according to history. and Mind control...



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