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Nazis registered descendants of witches and sorcerers ?

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posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 04:30 AM
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Sorry I can´t provide a link to that, I found nothing related on the web.

A long time ago I heard a documentation on the radio about Nazi Himmlers
( the man responsible for the concentration camps and Gestapo ) bureaucracy.
It was mentioned they searched the archives of the court and the church for all cases related on witchcraft.
They put a lot of effort in reconstructing genealogies to find the descendants of the accused.

As far as I know, nothing ever happened to the descendants.

So why and what did they search for ? One of you experts knows more about that ?




posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 05:27 AM
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Hmmm the idea that witches are evil is a myth. It was ignorance that caused women to be burned as witches, not any kind of evil black magic.
So I doubt this story has any truth to it.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 08:05 AM
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Himmler was very much into the occult, he may've been researching these lineages in hopes of recruiting them into his occult nazi orders, or perhaps was trying to see if there was any pattern in the geneologies that needed to be explained. Do you know what families they were researching?



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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It is well known that the Nazi's searching for 'out of this world' phenomenons. It was probably just something related to that..
Maybe they were going to study some of those people.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Also, lets remember that the nazis were fans of eugenics. They were frequently exterminating 'the undesirable and feeble', and also had breeding programs, especially amoung the SS elite under himmler, who'd match officers with women.

So possibly they were also contemplating eugenics within 'powerful occult' lines to improve the 'occult stock'?



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:36 AM
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any ideal as to what traits they would use to determine if someone was a witch?



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
Hmmm the idea that witches are evil is a myth. It was ignorance that caused women to be burned as witches, not any kind of evil black magic.
So I doubt this story has any truth to it.


I guess you never fell under a witches spell. You are ignorant and stupid to think it doesn't exist. The witches that were burned at Salem, Mass were found guilty of witchcraft. There were practicing black magic and were caught, found guilty and hanged. My grandfather hung them at Bald Hill and testified in his journal that he had never seen such evil as it was in Salem. To say witchcraft is a myth undermines everything between good and evil. Wake up!



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by declair
I guess you never fell under a witches spell. You are ignorant and stupid to think it doesn't exist. The witches that were burned at Salem, Mass were found guilty of witchcraft. There were practicing black magic and were caught, found guilty and hanged. My grandfather hung them at Bald Hill and testified in his journal that he had never seen such evil as it was in Salem. To say witchcraft is a myth undermines everything between good and evil. Wake up!


You should be careful of throwing names around, next time you'll be warned for it.

Secondly, either you or your grandfather is extremely old as the Salem witch trial too place in 1692.

www.law.umkc.edu...



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by declair
I guess you never fell under a witches spell. You are ignorant and stupid to think it doesn't exist. The witches that were burned at Salem, Mass were found guilty of witchcraft.


Thanks intrepid for steeping into this one I think the member in question is not denying ignorance at all but adding to his own.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 07:27 PM
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Intrepid,

Yes, My 15th generation grandfather was the hangman. WELL DOCUMENTED!



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by declair

I guess you never fell under a witches spell. You are ignorant and stupid to think it doesn't exist. The witches that were burned at Salem, Mass were found guilty of witchcraft. There were practicing black magic and were caught, found guilty and hanged. My grandfather hung them at Bald Hill and testified in his journal that he had never seen such evil as it was in Salem. To say witchcraft is a myth undermines everything between good and evil. Wake up!


LOL, I think you need to wake up, just because a relative burned women at the stake don't mean they were really evil practitioners of black magic. Are you serious or pulling my chain here? I don't deny the existance of witches, just that the witch hunts were nothing to do with real witches. It was ignorance. We are talking 1600's here, any woman who spoke out against men or were just difficult, or were foreign, or were sick, were acused of witchcraft. Yeah found guilty of wichcraft, do you have any idea how they tested them for witchcraft?...LOL


Let's start with the facts. During the winter of 1691-'92, several girls in Salem Village, a county-size jurisdiction surrounding what's now the city of Salem, Massachusetts, came down with a strange illness, experiencing pain, fever, and convulsions and behaving oddly. After a doctor suggested that the girls might be under supernatural influence, someone proposed baking a "witch cake" containing urine from the girls, which was then fed to a dog as a test for witchcraft. That set the pot boiling. More girls began having seizures and claiming they'd been approached by specters of their neighbors with wicked intent. Soon a witch hunt was underway. The first three accused were a Caribbean Indian servant named Tituba; Sarah Good, a beggar; and Sarah Osborn, a quarrelsome older woman. The frightened Tituba cracked, confessing that she was a witch and that she and the other accused women had flown on "poles."


www.straightdope.com...

[edit on 24/3/2006 by ANOK]



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 08:41 PM
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I really suggest people here head to torrentspy.com and download some Art Bell. In one of his interviews with Malachi Martin (a confidant of the now deceased Pope who claims the Vatican is swarmed with covens of apostate priests) Martin (a experienced exorcist) claims that many of the top really old New England families which run this country have clear ties with Satanism, and that posession isn't just an "experience", kids in these families are taught how to reply to their familiars, worship and obey them, and so forth. In some cases the spirit takes over completely. It struck me as incredible, the details Martin gave were just too hard to fake or BS on. All of Martin's interviews were good, unlike the Al Bielek disinfo stuff.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Nakash: Do you know of a link that contains primarily Martin's writings? I have come across stuff from him in several places and all of it is very interesting. I'm going to check out the link that you put in your post, thanks.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 09:14 PM
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type "Art Bell" at torrentspy.com (you know how to use torrents right?) there's a complete archive of Art bell for download, in it there are several interviews (some hours long) with Martin. Martin wrote an excellent Book titled "The Keys to this blood" which revealed EVERYTHING happening in the Vatican. Most of the cardinals are completely secular according to him, and some are Satanists (there was a "rite of enthronement for the fallen Archangel" in St. Peter's Basilica (this was info Martin gave to an Archbishop friend, didn't want to get in trouble by saying it himself). Murders in Rome of exorcists too. The best info Martin gave though was on his exorcisms, it was really interesting. I can't remember at the top of my head a place with Martin's books copied up for reading (doubt he'd mind), try alternative Catholic resources, the books themselves aren't hard to find (they are all bestsellers). I respect Martin because he knows so much of the inner workings, and he's not a hac but a well learned man.

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Nakash]



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 04:06 PM
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They (nazi's) do like killing people, so they would like killing some other group arbatraily.

Though it might have to to something with interest of 'superpowers of the master race' or something, they did search for the holy grail and tryed to have it in a room with a lot of other 'magical/super artifacts'.

I wouldn't trust anything the nazis do.



posted on Mar, 25 2006 @ 07:56 PM
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Spear of Longinus, also known as the Spear of destiny:



en.wikipedia.org...


Hitler held it during the night of the Rhineland re-occupation. Was found on his room. Best part is that while he was a nobody, he got obsessed with the spear and made notes on it in his spare time wandering the museum it was in.

Now that's weird, what more do we need, Hitler holding a lucifer sword or some other fabled Satanic artifact for us to see he had power from "the other side".


[edit on 25-3-2006 by Nakash]



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by lost in the midwest
any ideal as to what traits they would use to determine if someone was a witch?

Weigh them next to a duck.


quote]Originally posted by Nakash
Spear of Longinus, also known as the Spear of destiny:

Now that's weird, what more do we need, Hitler holding a lucifer sword or some other fabled Satanic artifact for us to see he had power from "the other side".


[edit on 25-3-2006 by Nakash]

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the spear of longinus a holy weapon seeing as it had the blood of christ on it.?
The soldier converted to christianity after poking Christ in the ribs.



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by lost in the midwest
any ideal as to what traits they would use to determine if someone was a witch?

Besides Floating?


I dunno, but if you bought into that kind of stuff, you might check out what is common in these lineages, find out if there are any patterns, etc.


Is there anything else that anyone can think of for the nazis to be keeping such records?

Is it possible perhaps that they thought that these magicians were powerful, but wanted to eliminate the non-aryan ones?



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 11:08 PM
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Hitler was into his own weird version of occultism. He may well have been looking for witches who dabble in the "dark arts" and wanted to keep track of the families for future workings.
The question is: How did Hitler find out they were witches?

-Forestlady



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 11:26 PM
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All those witches helping to usher in the NWO, may want to ponder that the current Pope has a Nazi background and if his Catholic Church were to become The One World Religion, as many are predicting...there's this bit about not suffering a witch to live.

To those who think they're helping do away with 'legalistic', Judeo/Christian religion by spreading around all their New Age Enlightenment, examples of it's negative effects too, will be used to "enforce" the One World Religion.

With the current rise of interest in the occult, along with the current rise of dispair over rampant injustices and just plain ugliness 'declaring it's equal rights' all over the place, you can see witches as an easy 'first target' for cleansing the world of the Godless.

To those who don't trust corporations any more than religions, ponder this; would we be allowed to have an all powerfull religion that oppossed corporations law of, profit above social responsability? No. It will be one that teaches, "Making money is serving God. The Godless must die.".... but the words saying it will spin around all pretty like...




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