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Can Fallen Angels Be Saved?

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posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 05:49 PM
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Ok, now I know that quite a few of you out there do not believe in angels or anything of the like, and thats fine. But for those of you that do, or even those who do not but would like to give their input anyways, i have a question for you, which i was actually proposed in another thread:

Can fallen angels be saved?

Personally i would have to say no because Jesus died for the sins of mankind. I would love to get some input on this one.




posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 06:04 PM
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Strictly speaking, yes Christ died for Mankind. But your question is can a fallen angel be saved? I would have to say yes, if you use the New Testament. Since to be saved would be to allow God back into your heart, your mind and your soul, if a fallen angel were to do this then, they would be saved by the benevolent God as described in the NT.
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That does not mean that a fallen angel would be inclined to even want to be saved. Going by the OT, a fallen angel is one that rebelled against God, angels who were jealous of mankind being placed above them, jealous of God's power. I doubt that a fallen angel would try to saved, to them, they would probably liken being saved as being condemned since they would be submitting to the will of God as well as Man. How many firstborns do you know would want to have to take orders from their younger siblings?


[edit on 23-3-2006 by kenshiro2012]



posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by kenshiro2012
Strictly speaking, yes Christ died for Mankind. But your question is can a fallen angel be saved? I would have to say yes, if you use the New Testament. Since to be saved would be to allow God back into your heart, your mind and your soul, if a fallen angel were to do this then, they would be saved by the benevolent God as described in the NT.
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That does not mean that a fallen angel would be inclined to even want to be saved. Going by the OT, a fallen angel is one that rebelled against God, angels who were jealous of mankind being placed above them, jealous of God's power. I doubt that a fallen angel would try to saved, to them, they would probably liken being saved as being condemned since they would be submitting to the will of God as well as Man. How many firstborns do you know would want to have to take orders from their younger siblings?


[edit on 23-3-2006 by kenshiro2012]



Very good points made there. And i must agree with you that it is extremely unlikely that they would ever want to be saved.



posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 01:18 PM
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Colossians 1:20\ An God was pleased for him to make peace by sacrificing his blood on the cross, so that all beings in heaven and on earth would be brought back to God.

(The verse above pretty much tells me that the answer is yes!!)



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by magestica
Colossians 1:20\ An God was pleased for him to make peace by sacrificing his blood on the cross, so that all beings in heaven and on earth would be brought back to God.

(The verse above pretty much tells me that the answer is yes!!)


ok, i can admit that i was wrong. so they can be saved, although i must agree with what kenshiro said before about them not wanting to be saved.



posted on Apr, 1 2006 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by unknown agent
i must agree with what kenshiro said before about them not wanting to be saved.


How do we know that even? Fallen angels were once with God, so what's to say that they don't want to be back with Him? We have a hard enough time getting into the head of man, that I cannot even imagine trying to get into the head of an angel, much less one or many that have fallen away from their Creator.



posted on Apr, 2 2006 @ 11:03 PM
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Yes, It is the responsibility of every mature Son of God to restore the fallen and that includes angels too!



posted on Apr, 4 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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Well as hell was supposedly created as a place for satan/lucifer to be punished and he was the first fallen angel, and according to the book of revelations he will be given 1000 years to change, then why can't other fallen angels? So, I would say yes.



posted on Apr, 4 2006 @ 08:24 PM
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Actually the fallen are the most despised of all creation, Lucifer included on this one. They have been cast down till the final day of judgement and the final battle - so, unless they did some thing totaly amazing and out of character, gods not really going to be too happy to see them stroll up to the gates is he? and i guess a few thousand million of the host are going to have a few ideas about that one as well.

My thoughts? Nope, the fallen are the fallen and will always be so till the last call of God.



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 11:42 PM
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I don't believe it's possible, if it were, Satan would be able to repent too....and I just can't buy that...I'll have to do a scripture search. But seeing how bible prophecy foretells Satan and his hordes going to hell....I don't believe it's possible.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:18 AM
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My understanding is that fallen angels have committed an unpardonable sin, by turning away from God and following Satan. I don't think that they can be saved.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:42 AM
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My own personal supposition has always been that the supernatural entities of the Bible transcend time. In other words, they are unlike humans, in that we are ignorant of the future. The impression I have is that God et al. experience past, present and future as equally real. We humans are forgetful of the past, and ignorant of the future.

The problem quickly bogs down into an issue of free will. First you'd need to decide whether humans have free will, before moving on to the more mysterious entities such as angels.

Note Paul's Terminology:



1 Timothy 5:21

I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.



Now that's and interesting choice of words, των εκλεκτων αγγελων

Elect comes from the Greek word, "eklekton" which means chosen.

So, are some angels chosen? If so, that doesn't sound much like free will, does it?

Now, check out these words from 1 Peter:




1 Peter 1:2

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied


Man! That sure sounds like predestination for the believers, doesn't it?? Chosen according to the foreknowledge of God.

So, by that particular logic, No; angels don't have free will.

And neither do we.



[Note: scripture also contains a bunch of 'free-well' references as well. Meaning you'll have to decide for yourself, won't you?]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by magestica
Colossians 1:20\ An God was pleased for him to make peace by sacrificing his blood on the cross, so that all beings in heaven and on earth would be brought back to God.

(The verse above pretty much tells me that the answer is yes!!)


("would" doesn't occur in the greek by the way. I see an aorist and an infinitive construction, but didn't notice any subjunctive, which is often implied in the Bible text.)

If "all things being reconciled" means that angels WILL unconditionally return to God, then it applies to humans (on earth) as well. And so hell will be sort of like, what, and empty parking lot? I think the verse is saying that they MIGHT be reconciled to God, if they want that.

I may have been reading this verse incorrectly for years; I thought it referred to all things "in heaven" as pointing to those who died before the crucifixion, and thus couldn't have known Christ historically. You know, the "paradise" that Jesus promised to the thief who defended him on the cross. The ancient church's teaching was that the souls of the pagan just were waiting in "paradise;" upon Christ's arrival, paradise was emptied, and they, along with later Christian saints, are awaiting 1 Corinthians 15:51.

I may have gotten that wrong though. Since I accept the reality of a coming hell for sinners, I've always assumed that reconcile was not synoymous with "saved".



[edit on 14-4-2006 by dr_strangecraft]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 12:10 AM
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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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to my knowledge angels do not die but live forever just like G-D does and just as we can if we become saved which none of us are right now.

what some fallen angels might wish for is to have their guilty conscience cleaned and to have a normal mind again-----joy restored.

i can see no point in G-D allowing us to eventually judge angels(1corinthians6:3) unless it has to do with this matter----but i'm only human----so i'm only saying this on a hunch from my understanding from reading the scriptures about G-D's mercies.
as i understand it the unpardonable sin is a matter of breaking laws of G-D that we refuse to repent of(hebrews10:26) so any that want to repent can be forgiven



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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Find the answer in 2 Peter 2:4.

The answer is an eternal NO.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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Take a second reading of Revelation 20. i prefer the KJV. satan is not given 1000 years to repent; it is chained in "the bottomless pit" for a thousand years during which Jesus reigns over earth to prepare it for the coming of God the Father and New Jerusalem (not the NWO New Jerusalem, the real Heavenly City). Thereafter, it is let loose to gather all who will reject the rule of Jesus, and gather them for the Last Battle at the hill Megiddo (apparently, the valley where Megiddo stands is big enough to take "The World's armies." It is said to be HUGE!)
Then Jesus destroys the people and their lowly high-tech machinery, casts satan into the pool of fire where the Beast (6 - 6 - 6 -Man over the Men over men; the leader of the NWO/One Nation Earth) and its false profit... sorry false PROPHET (leader of the One World Religion?) are. And then the Final Judgement when God the Father comes down.

satan is not given chance to repent - it is taken out of the way for the preparation of earth for the Father's coming.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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God is outside of space, time and matter. He is limitless (vs space), eternal (vs time) and spirit (vs matter).

But seeing as all things are created by Him (John 1:3), it means time, space and matter are all His works. And time being His work, it means that He has control over time in its entirety, from the moment He called light into existence (Genesis 1:3) until the eternal Last Day (Revelation 22:5). And to have total control over time, means that He knows what has happened, happens and will happen.

The easiest way to (try to) explain that, is: imagine an invisible sphere that symbolises the limitless (I know, it is limited by its size, but you can circle the thing forever without reaching its end; this is just for the excercise...) spirit (invisible) eternity. And inside that sphere, a line is drawn. As long or as short as you wish. You can see through the eternity (timelesness) every point on the timeline. And therefore, you can see, from the beginning of time, what happens at the end.

So, no matter where on the timeline a sinner repents (meaning to turn his/her life to God through the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the Cross), that persons name is written in the Book of Life from since the beginning of time.

Which is also why those who have known the Heavenly Gift and despised it and deliberately chose to go into the World, have no forgiveness left. God shall forgive those who sin in a moment of weakness, if they confess it sincerely.

As Jesus said in Luke 17: "It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!" And since satan is the mastermind behind all offences...

[edit on 5-9-2008 by J.Smit]



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:54 PM
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Sorry for not reading this thread but I have to say that my opinion to the question is, no.
Beyond that, I would have to say that even thinking about it is a bad idea. Fallen angels are demons that deserve no space in our minds and to imagine ever being on good terms with demons is dangerous.
I keep seeing a pattern that jumps around, from forum to forum that seem to be a preparation for people to accept things that they would normally run away from. This looks like another one.

[edit on 6-9-2008 by jmdewey60]



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Hi all ...good question ..I have been hoping someone would get into this subject ...
My 2 cents

Possibly
The reason why I say this is because of this scripture
1Cr 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

What could we possibly be judging angels for ? Good angels would not need to be judged at least I wouldnt think so ...So to me this seems to be saying to me that fallen angels could be judged by their good deeds and bad (towards humans) ..and possibly be delivered ....maybe some of them tried to turn back after leaving with satan and God will give them a chance .
Angels were made a little higher than us and he offers us (Horrible wicked beings) to be spared so why not the angels that fell ?



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