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posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 03:26 PM
Hia all,

Below is a post I placed on a message board (on a different site) a short while ago, entitled :

Jesus=house of pain.

A number of people there did not take very well to what I was suggesting!
In short, no one (at all) could entertain my speculation!

Wudda you guys (n gals) think?

Am I the antichrist (JOKING) or does anyone else ever feel like this?

My post................

I have believed in the Christ for a long time but I am starting to lose faith altogether.

All I seemed to have gained from faith lately is frustration and pain. I am starting to believe that if I follow Christ then I am on a path to suffering in the body! Like the crucifixion.

Although he did this and received his place, to suffer is not what I want regardless of what I might gain in return.

This life here and now is important and i don't think suffering is a good thing, no matter where it comes from.

I have prayed many a time for relief but it never comes!

Could Christianity be wrong because it leads to suffering?

Anyone else feel like this?

That was my post in a time of distress. I will state here that I have not gone through any kind of conversion, I am just laying off religion!


posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 03:33 PM
What are you praying for?

What is the cause of your suffering in life?

Faith is a test my friend. You gotta have faith even through the worst times.


posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 03:35 PM
I am not suffering.

My advice...stop blaming God for your problems. He is creater....he never promised to babysit.

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 03:38 PM
we all question our religions and faith in God when bad things happen to us in life. You know that..."what kind of god would allow so much suffering" thought that happens after a major disaster or even personal disaster. So your feelings and thoughts are completely natural, you're not the antichrist or a bad person for having these thoughts.

btw this is going to Faith, Spirituality and Theology....
continue the discussion there.

posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 07:20 PM
You gotta bare in mind that God knows the end to the beginning not the beginning to the end as we can only see. Thank God for all that you are going through, the good and the bad and keep pluggin along.

There are always reasons we go through certain things. Rarely ever do good things come out of anything instantly. On God's end the good things are already seen and on our's it takes time. Just the fun part of being rapped up in flesh and bones I guess.

This life is nothing more than the time a baby spends in the womb compared to eternity. You don't want to be stillborn!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 07:21 AM
But that kind of thinking absolves God of everything!

Are you seriously implying that we all need to suffer in order to expand and that we must (without deviation) expand negatively as well as positively?

That there could not be (in Gods realm) a more harmonious way of existing?

If there is bliss out there then why cant everyone just be in it?

I'm not sure God has the kind of power I once thought God had!

It makes absolutely no sense to me not to deconstruct a world of suffering and replace it with a comfortable existence for all NOW!

And if he or she or whatever did have that kind of power, (if there is such thing) where is the sense in not using it?

Of what benefit suffering?

I dont need to eat the hamburger to apreciate the steak!

I am capable of my own discernment!

Yes I am a human and there are humans out there who will always say.....

Oh but we need this lesson!

But WHY do they say that? I am a better judge of what I need, not one in the third person!

This is my point....there is no one who can explain why we need this suffering in the body!

So it just doesnt stand up!!!

This dogmatic following of aparent wisdom.

Did anyone ever meet God to be sure that we need these trials, or even that he wants us to have them? Maybe God wants good for us all. If that is true then maybe God is unable to help!

Maybe the narrow path is in creating ones own destiny and not involving belief systems. Maybe we will be more empowered in thinking that we hold the power instead of resigning it all to God because if Gods hands are tied then our energies are missplaced.

Maybe we are tossing our own power aside. Maybe we could learn to be our own masters in the positive.

At the end of the day, its like I say....there is no proof of Gods intervention or else people would not be awaiting the second coming. It may never come! Anyway with such powers of belief, why would a second coming be neccessary?

Maybe to force beliefs on people?

Thats like must be my friend!

Born bad, made good and who gets the credit?

God no doubt!

If i do good its God working in me but if I do bad........its me I suppose!!!

My post is about viewing openmindedness and seeing how people actually feel but it tends to attract more defenders of faith than anything else and what I am pointing out here is that people are scared to think for themselves.

And when they do, as I am doing now, the general response is to shoot my thoughts down.

How free is that?

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Infinitum08]

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 09:21 AM

Originally posted by Infinitum08
Are you seriously implying that we all need to suffer in order to expand and that we must (without deviation) expand negatively as well as positively?

No the point was to look for the positive in everything, and it is there, just not always seen at the time.

Originally posted by Infinitum08
If there is bliss out there then why cant everyone just be in it?

I'm not sure God has the kind of power I once thought God had!

God handed the control of the earth to lucifer for a short time, and we're still in it. lucifer is a master at making what's good appear bad and what's bad appear good. Also he's a master a brain washing.

Originally posted by Infinitum08
It makes absolutely no sense to me not to deconstruct a world of suffering and replace it with a comfortable existence for all NOW!

A thousand years is no more than a blink of the eye to God. He IS going to do exactly that but you have to understand the difference between his NOW and our NOW.

Originally posted by Infinitum08
And if he or she or whatever did have that kind of power, (if there is such thing) where is the sense in not using it?

lucifer wouldn't have the ability to decieve if there was one visible that was displaying earthly signs and wonders greater than his. God has no obligation to prove anything to anybody, after all he created the place. Every time you take a breath he is using his power, everytime your heart beats and everytime the sun rises and sets etc.

Originally posted by Infinitum08
Of what benefit suffering?

The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is where it started.

Originally posted by Infinitum08
I am pointing out here is that people are scared to think for themselves.

Ahh, being that the self is of the earth and lucifer has temporary power over it, thinking for one's self is in turn thinking for lucifer. He just loves it when folks find the 'God within us all'.

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 10:23 AM
But you are just saying this probably because you read much text!

A blink of Gods eye equates to millions suffering then?

Would it matter what questions I raised with you really?

I'm sure you would have mans Godly answer to all of them. Dont you think it kind of contrary that millions also say: where is God?

You state God created everything, which must include Lucifer then!

So what was the point of that?

I'll create a race called man then I'll hand them over to Lucifer?

Or I know I'll give them some rules which I know (because I am creator) they will not be able to abide by and then I will hand them over to Lucifer to do his work on!

Well I tell you least someone here is doing their job! Not that I agree with it. Give me Gods power for just one instant and I would sure know what to do with it! there would be no more Lucifer!!

Cmon give me a break!

And all will suffer for eating of the fruit and even those wo did not eat will suffer too?

Even if you point towards karma. Ive got a better idea! Lets just forgive the world of its sin and we'll have peace and love permeating the universe instead!

God does not have to prove anything to me but to regain my belief HE DOES!

Of course he can just leave me (and everyone else) on this God Forsaken planet to suffer.

How can mans idea be greater than Gods idea?

I'll tell you..............

We have harmony right here, RIGHT NOW!

Is there anyone reading this post who is against the scenario of Harmony RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW?

Is there anyone (in their right mind) who cant possibly think of a more compassionate route to a better existence than this present one?

And who has the voice to say....No I prefer war, disease, conflict, suffering...etc...etc....etc?

Even if you have ultimate faith, you have to admit that this is not working world wide. If you cant own up to the fact that God could do more than you dont deserve more!

I've been through the ultimate faith bit but now frankly he can do what the Hell he likes with me......and he does!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 10:34 AM
Hold on Hold on Hold on.............

If God handed this place over to Lucifer......

Then God is doing nothing here, right?

God cant be doing any good in this world then can he??

So all good here is mans work and all bad here is Lucifers work???

Is that what you imply?

Therefore it is entirely upto man to suggest that things could be better here and to say GOD WHERE ARE YOU?

By the way, do you know where God is?

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:25 AM

guys you wana get your defintions of GOD right.

Lets forget the bible exists just for a moment. There are people out there in places doing just fine without it.

God they say is omni present, (hes everywhere) omniscient, (all knowing, omnipotent (all powerful)

Lets define that scientifically as meaning every single atom of creation is a part of what you call GOD.. (i mean what the bible tells you to call GOD)

Well some would define God as 'The All' am i right?

That begs the simple question, he cant be THE ALL 'and' also stand within this planet or even this universe..? get REAL. Pop some braincells here with me, all the bible gives is a brief shakesperian heart play to get people to FEEL things and get sucked into it.

This GOD word is getting in the way! Dont you see it needs to be replaced and defined? its like a voodoo word or something.

Satanists call satan god too! anybody can be a god its just a name that means controller really, not creator.

''God'' is a 'being' within The All.. the All is the 1 true creator, and any beings / GODS within it are doing all that the laws of creation let them do.. and yes they make mistakes too.

Now theres dissagreeable (bad) and theres agreeable (good) beings across the spectrum .. nothing is clear cut, its all blended like the rainbow.

This god Yahweh of the bible (IF HE WAS REAL) is 1 of a group of beings.. (eloheem) he cant be everywhere like the ALL cause he isnt The ALL, he represents The All like all of us can start doing.

Believe it or not, YES! GOD.. if u wana call him that, is limited by the Laws of The All (ALL is The father) he / it, cannot do MIRACLES! The sun cannot suddenly fall out of space for example? (ok thats not a good one seein as lucifer was a star who fell! )) but you know what i mean, some things are just plain stupid and cant be done.

Those apparent miracles that did happen were not miracles but an advanced science or mistranslated symbolisms or both.

Like jesus walking on water which is the story of the the egyptions and RA, the sun as its reflection comes over the water.. symbolically 'the sun (sOn) of man walking on water!

But no people wana believe in some white dude walking on water? oh well... maybe if he had some anti gravity sandals or hoverboard or he was a SPOOK...

Im going to cut it there and you tell me if anythings making sense? lol

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Dimensional_Shifter]

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:44 AM
Yes I understand that you dont fall for the dogma!

Try getting people to admit there are no miracles and that there is no God in the sense that he can bail us out or that we can pray and recieve.

It just doesnt work and thats why I decided that if I get anything I then it was me that got it and that all the praying in the world did not aquire Gods help, it just falls on non existant ears!

But what about all the people who say stuff like I suffered for Christ or I'm happy to suffer for Christ etc...

I'm saying that anyone who is happy to suffer is INSANE!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:46 AM
All those American Idols who say 'I want to thank God for this and that' bla bla bla bull phooy.

How about they thank the producer for allowing them to suck up to their worldly ass in return for .............erm..........$

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[edit on 24-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 11:55 AM
Yeah so I'll thank God for my state of health, my million dollar home (joke) my supercar, my children, my swimming pool, gold, diamonds and most of all...

I'll thank God I'm not that poor dude over there starving in the gutter.

'Keep It Real' !

Still............lets have faith ehh?

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posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 12:27 PM
haha.. should say ''no gods!'' hehe...

People think they know what they mean when they say god, (the creator of everything) but how do they if they dont know what it truly means or where it came from etc? And if you know about The ALL then you wouldnt use the word god.. its too offensive to be honest, not that The All can take offence.. we can tho.

G.o.d is from 3 german words i cant spell! Gomer Oz and dubar ( i told you i cant spell them i just know its phonetically near right)

They stand for beuaty strength and wisdom,, all atributes of humans.

God is also DOG backwards, 'mans best friend?'

This DOG refers to the dog-STAR sirius, the canis major constellation, and we have the jackal headed symbol of egypt, and these beings used all this star knowledge etc...

See if god is so important to people why cant they put themself out to find the real names and scriptures older than the dam bible?, rather than settle on beLIEf of what they are told?

Oh the sky is blue but il call it green (cause thats what they say and they know better than me cause they are older and got access to more info?)
thats metaphorically what they are saying...

Religious people tell us straight ' devil runs the world, cause hes been given time to roam' and that he is the 'Master deciever' -- yet they cant even SUPPOSE that the bible may be COMPLETELY made up garbage by this very character!? even the annunaki tablets of sumeria could be GARBAGE of their own generation.

How do we know as simple beings living our life? we have only got our common sense and an internet.

If you wana make sense of defining GOD in REAL terms,,, go read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, and the laws of The ALL.... and take that to a physics or science man. Religons would call it the work of Lucifer, apparently cause lucifer is the lord of LIGHT not DARK! Darkness is good actually cause its pure balance. Lucifer is on the KNOWLEDGE trip like us lot, so just because we wana KNOW... does that make us baaaaaad lucifarians? is it wiser to remain dumb and knowledgeless in the churches of satan? whoops i meant GOD!
or did i,,,,, oh whats the difference.

Truth hurts if we're gonna be a woos about it.

[edit on 24-3-2006 by Dimensional_Shifter]

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 01:56 PM

Yeah right on!

Lets get the facts straight.

If God cant do miracles then how the bloody hell did he make us from dust?

If you digest the dogma you find it quite insultive really!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 01:57 PM
Just scanning through your posts, I can see that you are very confused so I said a prayer for you.

*Infinitum08* My advice to you is this..Say a prayer of faith for yourself, open your bible to wherever God may lead you and begin reading. You don't have to go outside or online to find Jesus because He lives inside you. Remember that we are like sheep, so sometimes it is natural that we will wander off from the flock or the shepherd. It's natural that we will thurst but the shepherd can lead you to water. In other words, even a person who might consider himself saved through Jesus Christ can often wander off, just take a look around you, we live in this world amongst sin, so of course we are likely to be tested from time to time. Don't be discouraged though and definitely don't give satan a chance to step in and steal you away from the flock.

I personally think that when a sheep wanders off, he is more succeptable to being captured by the wolf. The wolves just can't wait to get ahold of a little lost sheep and devour him. And that's exactly what I saw in this thread and that's exactly why I posted this.

Don't give satan a chance to trip you up. You said you knew Jesus Christ, well there is no such thing in my mind of knowing him and then not knowing him unless you yourself allow such a thing to happen.

A wonderful suggestion for reading is about John the Baptist. John can give you a beautiful expression of how we can all be tempted by our faith.

And by the way, laying off religion does not mean you have to lay off the word

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posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 02:13 PM

I did open a bible but all I got was irrelevence!

There it goes again,

That blackmail veiled threat that if we attempt to stand up alone we will be devoured by the evil one! We turn into the evil one!

Fear must rule then?

Well I say if the evil one devours me I ant gonna taste very nice! And for all he knows I might just be able to put up a fight.

And not wanting to sound complaicant.......If I belonged to Christ once then will he (in his compassion) throw me back to the dogs? Or is that just how you like to see it??

Test the Spirits!

Where did I hear that?

I refuse to let fear lead me.

You promote fear when you say such things.

Why should life be a trap?

At the end of the day its your hearts intention, to follow the truth or be fooled by invention.

If the man is gonna hurt me then so be it!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 02:35 PM
To be totally honest with you....

If I were devoured tomorrow, my suffering would end.

If I am devoured then it will be testament to the US and THEM situation.

It will be proof that there is no escape no matter how much I believed.

It will be proof that God cares not for those who really care!

It will be proof that because I have reached my limit, I am now disposable, all used up. Useless to God and if I am useless to God then I'm just a waste of skin anyway!

So why create me in the first place?

God has a rightful place for people who think like I do, its the south side of a church!

posted on Mar, 24 2006 @ 04:40 PM
You said a prayer for me cause im confused? Hey im not being funny here but i really DO appreciate that. Even if your prayers are going to.. whoever you wana call him.. and hes baaaad... or not... and you think your right.. or not.. and il believe you in your heart.... unless your just a faker.. i dont know, but i thank you..

And yes i have no problem admitting im confused in PLACES, i let loads of angles spin round my head, i think thats a better thing than being stuck in 1 mind with something im not sure of at all? if you could 'expand' a little bit for me then it would HELP me more than your prayers maybe.. or aswel as, should i say, cause i mean no disrespect.

Seriously. So tell me where the truth is at and what was wrong with my input? you cant just float in on a cloud and tell me that and float out

Point me somewhere? if it is the bible i have to ask WHY!? i dont see why anybody should have to read any bible and accept it any more. I even believe ....''god'' wouldnt need me to read a bible anymore than necessary and he definatly doesnt want me to believe everything im told...... which is just about everything!? lol

Which version do you read? why are they nearly all different when god said dont change any of it? why are there so many books missing? like Enoch etc.. Have you read the book of enoch and what do you think about it?

Seriously yes im confused but im ok so give me some links.

I havnt read your posts, i dont know where your comming from, i wont read them either because theres too much to read, if i was making friends here id read theyre posts but i dont generally track peoples posts, we have rights to change our minds and and all that? like god does.

Im not saying there is no supreme being? lets get that straight.

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