Flight 93 was shot down over Pennsylvania, and this is the biggest 9/11 cover up of them all., page 3
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reply posted on 23-3-2006 @ 02:01 PM by descendantofclairvoyance
o.k. a few things still don't make any sense to me here, just looking @ this from my p.o.v. i haven't bought any of the gov't off. lies of what happened that day. but i'm having a hard time buying most of the theories out there. I know the towers were struck roughly between 8:30 a.m. and 9:00 a.m. (keep in mind I said roughly, I don't really follow this particular topic)I also know the pentagon was struck roughly between 9:30 and 9:40. flight 93 went down @10:06:05. here is where i get lost: the time span between the second plane colliding w/wtc and the 3rd plane striking the pentagon. and also the time span between the pentagon being struck to flight 93 crashing. is my understanding of exactly when 9/11 was judged to be a terror attack incorrect? being that it was determined to be an attack shortly after the first 2 planes crashed into wtc? or was it determined only after the pentagon was struck? if it was determined between the second plane crash and the 3rd, then why wouldn' the plane on its way to the pentagon, being closer to the terrorist's target be shot down? why would fighter jets scramble to flight 93 rather than the plane that was closer to washington? this misunderstanding is why i tend to lean towards the "stand down theory" as well as the factual amount of time lapsed between the first plane crash and the launch of fighter jets that day. i know my understanding may be juvenile, so please be nice if you decide to fill me in. thanx appreciate it.


reply posted on 23-3-2006 @ 02:02 PM by Valhall
The following events and associated time-tags are taken straight from the official 911 Commission Report which can be accessed here.

Both planes have hit the WTC towers...

9:25 - FAA Herndon Command Center orders a nationwide ground stop

Flight 77 is headed toward DC

9:33 Reagan airport is notified of incoming, high-speed, unidentified aircraft.

9:34 FAA Herndon informs FAA HQ Flight 93 has been hijacked.

9:34 an Air National Guard C130H takes off in the Washington DC area (from what specific location is unknown). This ANG plane is allowed to take-off 8 minutes after the FAA ground stop was called. And, yes, I understand that we are talking about FAA and military differences - I'm sure there's some extremely critical reason a cargo plane needed to take off allegedly to do nothing more than fly to Minnesota - in the middle of all hell breaking loose.

Reagan airport contacts the C130H and requests that he try to locate the unidentified aircraft, identify it, and follow if possible. The C130H immediately spots the plane and identifies it as a 757 and attempts to follow it.

9:36 - FAA Cleveland advises FAA Herndon it is tracking 93 and asks if a fighter intercept has been requested.

9:37 - Flight 77 impacts Pentagon

9:38 - C130H notifies Reagan "that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir"

The C130H apparently is allowed to continue on its all critical mission to Minnesota.

9:42 - FAA Herndon instructs all airborne aircraft to land at nearest airport

The C130H continues on.

9:49 - Commander of NORAD directs all air sovereignty aircraft to battle stations, fully armed

The C130H continues on.

10:03 <===lie in the official record - Flight 93 is recorded in the 911 report as crashing at 10:03. Two separate groups of seismologists (the second being commissioned by the Pentagon) firmly established the impact of Flight 93 at 10:06:05.

10:05 - our ever-present C130H informs FAA of visual black smoke from impact site

Stepping away from the report...

Of the numerous people onboard at the "time of the crash" who were talking to either loved ones, authorities, or airline dispatchers - NOT ONE SINGLE CELL PHONE emitted a sound associated with the phone being involved in a crash. All cell phones JUST WENT DEAD. In fact, there were two different people (one being a Verizon operator) who stayed on the line for over 30 minutes waiting for the person to return. THE LINES NEVER DISCONNECTED...they just went silent.

The voice recorder does not contain the sound of a crash. It just went dead. All phones and the voice recorder just went dead.

The plane was flying UPSIDE DOWN when it flew about 50 feet over the head of one man working in salvage yard. He is the only person to see the plane go into the field.

Upon impact (which was in an open field) the plane did not cause any infrastructure damage, it did not cause damage to any highline wires, nothing...but at almost the same instance as the impact (which could be heard in the nearby town) THE ENTIRE POWERGRID, and LAND LINE PHONE SYSTEM...WENT DEAD.

On September 12, 2001 Ashcroft stood before the American people and stated that what was going to be the most exhaustive, extensive and critical investigation in U.S. history into the 9/11 events had initiated.

BUT THE C130H was unknown to ANYONE in the 9/11 investigation for weeks. The C130H had filed a report, but the Pentagon, the Department of Justice, the Attorney General - no one knew that the C130H had been involved in the events of 9/11.

Why?

BECAUSE THE REPORT SUBMITTED BY AN AIR NATIONAL GUARD C130H ON A FLIGHT FROM D.C. TO MINNESOTA WAS CLASSIFIED FROM THE PENTAGON. The Pentagon couldn't read the report.

To this day no information has been released on how many crew members were on board the C130, what their mission was, any names...nothing. It is the single most "black" spot on the 9/11 commission report that I have found so far. And it is uninvestigable the way it stands now. Unless some one forces more information out on this craft - the secret of what happened to Flight 93 may never be known.

I'd like to introduce you to the EC-130H - known as the Compass Call.

www.af.mil...

The EC-130H Compass Call is an airborne tactical weapon system using a modified version of the C-130 Hercules airframe. The system prevents successful enemy command and control communications and limits adversary coordination essential for enemy force management. The system also supports tactical air operations, and provides conventional and special operations support to friendly forces.


That's all I'll say on that for now.

I think the C-130H was an EC-130H. I think the EC-130H either:

* jammed all electronic systems on the plane which rendered it silent, and then it was taken down by another craft (I'm not real happy with this theory

or

* took the plane down itself with its electronic jamming system. And I think that's what took out the neighboring power grid and land lines. (This is what I personally believe.)

I'll post more later.

[edit on 3-23-2006 by Valhall]


reply posted on 23-3-2006 @ 02:38 PM by esdad71
I agree with the C-130 'blacking out' the communication, but not the EMP type weapon discharge to disrupt and take down the plane although a good theory. The EC-130H is designed to be used to disrupt and end communications in warfare situations.

www.af.mil...

The EC-130H works in conjunction with the F-16 and the Prowler, which has also been proven to be in the air on 9/11.

So, the 130 shuts it down electronically, the F-16 finishes it and the evidence is never recorded. Is this the direction you are thinking?


reply posted on 23-3-2006 @ 02:55 PM by Valhall
Yes, esdad...that's the way I'm thinking. And who knows if it was multiple planes or just the EC-130H. I have been told, but cannot confirm, that the Compass Call has had airframe kills in combat. I'll leave it at that.

Would like to follow up with some more information on the "missing 3 minutes". This is from a Philadelphia Daily News article that I had to purchase in order to get access, so I'll quote some relevant portions of it and then give reference, but can't give you a link.

This is only pertinent portions of the article...

Three-minute discrepancy in tape
Cockpit voice recording ends before Flight 93's official time of impact

Author: WILLIAM BUNCH bunchw
@phillynews.com

September 16, 2002

A Daily News investigation has found a roughly three-minute gap between the time the tape goes silent - according to government-prepared transcripts - and the time that top scientists have pinpointed for the crash.

But the FBI has clamped a tight lid of secrecy on the flight data recorder - which could best show how Flight 93 actually crashed - and on the cockpit voice recorder.

But the relatives of Flight 93 passengers who heard the cockpit tape April 18 at a Princeton hotel said government officials laid out a timetable for the crash in a briefing and in a transcript that accompanied the recording. Relatives later reported they heard sounds of an on-board struggle beginning at 9:58 a.m., but there was a final "rushing sound" at 10:03, and the tape fell silent.

"There is no sound of the impact," said Kenneth Nacke, whose brother, Lou Nacke Jr., is one of the passengers believed to have fought with the hijackers. Nacke confirmed that the government said the tape ended at 10:03 a.m.

Vaughn Hoglan, the uncle of passenger Mark Bingham, said by phone from California that near the end there are shouts of "pull up, pull up," but the end of the tape "is inferred - there's no impact."

Seismologists - experts in the earth's vibrations - have almost exactly pinpointed the time of the crash of Flight 93 at 10:06:05.

"The seismic signals are consistent with impact at 10:06:05," plus or minus two seconds, said Terry Wallace, who heads the Southern Arizona Seismic Observatory and is considered the leading expert on the seismology of man-made events. "I don't know where the 10:03 time comes from."

Likewise, a written study commissioned by the Department of Defense - carried out by seismologists from Columbia University and the Maryland Geological Survey - also determined impact was at 10:06:05.



Copyright (c) 2002 Philadelphia Daily News
Record Number: 7003844686




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