Originally posted by Long Lance
Originally posted by esdad71
The missle destroyed the engines of the plane (which the missle is designed to do)
Sorry to interrupt, but air to air missiles carry a blast fragmentation warhead, which is designed to ensure a large kill zone not the destruction of a particular target, being fitted with proximity fuzes and all. Fuel tanks are a very vulnerable to blast fragmentation, so unless your missle went straight into the engine and exploded right in the compressor belt (designed to keep disintegrating compressor blades from puncturing cabin and fuel tanks, but i really doubt it could handle anything resembling a warhead) mid air fire should have occured.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Actually, in a way you're both wrong, and you're both right. Did anyone see the pics of the DHL that was hit in Iraq by a shoulder fired missile? The engine kept running, and there was a small fire on the outboard wing section.
The AIM-9L uses a bigger warhead than a shoulder fired SAM, but the basic workings are the same though. It tracks the greatest heat source, and when it reaches within 9 meters of an object it detonates.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Oh of course. I'm not saying that it can't be catastrophic damage, because even on the wingtip it can easily be. Just that it's not necessarily going to blow the engine apart causing an immediate crash.
Originally posted by denythestatusquo
If 911 was an inside job, then why did they shoot down flight 93? Was it part of the occultic sacrifice?
did all the people that boarded that plane actually die on it?
who shot it down?
why was it shot down where it crashed?
Originally posted by Uncle_Rico
I remember exactly when this happened. The guy I was working with was talking to his cousin on the phone after the crash. His cousin stated the he and his wife definately saw a millitary plane shoot down the hijacked plane. To us it made sense to shoot it down and didn't think much of it. When the offficial story came out we kind of just looked at each other and said nothing else about it. Keep in mind his cousin told him that within an hour after the plane crashed. I was there when he was on the phone.
Originally posted by Matyas
Great thread. Read it all.
I am still having problems with the three missing minutes. EMP shouldn't be able to take it out.. I can't verify this without specs though. Where along the line could/did this happen?
Kudos to your team for your dedication and carry on!
Originally posted by Valhall
EMP would kill the electronics. If the recorder isn't recording anymore then a gap would be evident in the recording.
Lt. Col. Steve O'Brien started his day at the controls of a Minnesota National Guard C-130 cargo plane. He and his crew were heading back to the Twin Cities after moving military supplies around the Caribbean. About 9:30 a.m., O'Brien throttled the lumbering plane down a runway at Andrews Air Force Base, just southeast of the District of Columbia.
"When we took off, we headed north and west and had a beautiful view of the Mall," he said. "I noticed this airplane up and to the left of us, at 10 o'clock. He was descending to our altitude, four miles away or so. That's awful close, so I was surprised he wasn't calling out to us.
"It was like coming up to an intersection. When air traffic control asked me if we had him in sight, I told him that was an understatement - by then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away. I said we had him in sight, then the controller asked me what kind of plane it was.
"That caught us up, because normally they have all that information. The controller didn't seem to know anything."
O'Brien reported that the plane was either a 757 or 767 and its silver fuselage meant it was probably an American Airlines jet. "They told us to turn and follow that aircraft - in 20-plus years of flying, I've never been asked to do something like that. With all of the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him out.
"The next thing I saw was the fireball. It was huge. I told Washington the airplane has impacted the ground. Shook everyone up pretty good. I told them the approximate location was close to the Potomac. I figured he'd had some in-flight emergency and was trying to get back on the ground to Washington National. Suddenly, I could see the outline of the Pentagon. It was horrible. I told Washington this thing has impacted the west side of the Pentagon."
O'Brien asked the controller whether he should set up a low orbit around the building but was told to get out of the area as quickly as possible. "I took the plane once through the plume of smoke and thought if this was a terrorist attack, it probably wasn't a good idea to be flying through that plume."
He flew west, not exactly sure where he was supposed to land. Somewhere over western Pennsylvania, O'Brien looked down at a blackened, smoldering field. "I hoped it was just a tire fire or something, but when I checked with Cleveland center, he told me he'd just lost a guy off the scope pretty close to where we saw it. By then, we were able to patch in AM radio, so we heard about all the planes. It was like a domino effect - a really bad day for airplanes."
He finally landed at the Youngstown, Ohio, airport. "For awhile there, almost every night, I found myself stone awake at 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning. Took awhile to get over it."
Prosecutors asked the judge to order the tape sealed and to keep the transcript from the general public after it is played in open court, but she did not immediately rule on that.