Russia to go with the Euro?

See Kukla's OPEC currency thread in OTHER CURRENT DEBATES

Yes the original thread is here...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I see DR making comments that aren't based in fact. Posted by Leveller

And you are?

I guess you havent looked around the world except on CNN?

The US economy is tanking bigtime. I dont know what you are thinking unless you have taken the great communist course in economics.

In case you havent been reading my posts, the majority of what I have been posting is indeed coming to pass...

Agreed DR...I wish you were wrong more often..

kpt,

I do know what I am talking about sorry to disillusion you.


DR,

sorry but oil alone will not sink the green back and no-one here yet has made a convincing argument. Furthermore, if the Euro continues to gain then the US can play the same game can it not? Will the Euro sign up Japan or China or Canada or Australia or whoever on their roster too?

Food for thought.

Also I remember seeing today that the US economy was strengthening was it CNN of MSNBC (both such right wing supporters BTW, laughs!).

The US dollar has been driven down by whitehouse intervention that is likely a big part of the reason it has sagged.

The oil question is annother issue. Shame on you for not seeing this as part of the OWO vs NWO struggle going on in the world right now and for not realizing that the US has 'options' also.

Stay tuned folks it could get quite nasty.

Kukla,

I assure you, I take no great pride in being right with such things....

Will the Euro sign up Japan or China or Canada or Australia or whoever on their roster too?

Thats the whole point, they dont need to. All that needs to happen is for OPEC (which it now looks to happen) to take the Euro for the oil standard currency. From that point on, the rest of the world will trade oil in Euros.

But in more direct answer to your question, since Australia and Canada are members of the British commonwealth, who will go with the Euro, I wouldnt be surprised to at least see them go to the Euro as well.

Yes, Leveler, you obviously havent been AROUND the US lately.

The US is still in recession, the amount of Jobless still rising, people are spending money they do not posses via credit. When it catches up with us, youll see a massive plumet.

The dollar is falling against the Euro, and while the long term future of the Euro is more than likely a dead end, for the meantime, remeber, OPEC is mostly Arab nations with strong hatred of the US, that would mroe than likely take the Dollar to Euro switch if nothing else, to collapse thier enemy.

Of course, Europe itself is not the future, they are already part of historys background. The temporary acendancy of the Euro will be brief, but the socialistic economies of Europe eventually will collapse on thier own weight, with all the welfare states they have to support.

The real economic powerhouse of the future is Asia. They are still budding, still sputtering to take thier first steps. But with all the manufacturing shipped there, all the money we send them, and the chinese economy alone growing much faster than the US economy every year, they are just waiting for the old tired west to do its duty and die like they should, so it can bust into the world as the remaining superpower.

Britain should stay with the pound, period. # the Euro, it will only temporarily ascend, and the pound has a pretty long, healthy history to even consider throwing its lot in with the laughable European community.

People like Uni still hold on to dreams and illusions that his left wing NWO called the EU will ascend, that old imperial Europe will rise again, but it wont. Socialist welfare states cannot maintain the total necessities needed to maintain or ascend to superpower status.

UK should stay neiutral, and wait to cast its lots with the super dragons of the east that are waiting for thier place in the sun. Thats your best bet.

And yes, East Coast, Russia has never been our friend, never will be our friend, yet we feed our enemies money, something that pisses me off, but steels my resolve to see this country pull out of the world all together.

I know you don't DR and I also think you've shown humility in your posts on this matter. Anyone else I think would be screaming...I TOLD YOU SO...I TOLD YOU SO..

Anyone know when the next OPEC meeting is?

*edit* October 17...

www.opec.org...



[Edited on 10-10-2003 by kukla]

DR,

as a Canadian I can tell you that on any given day I can pull US change out of my pocket. I hardly know a person that does not have some greenbacks stuffed away somewhere or who doesn't buy some during the course of a year.

yet I haven't even put my hands on one euro yet. Where are they?

then we have annother problem too that everyone here is ignoring.

I have something for sale and my customer guarantees to buy it from me at a fair price but there is one catch, they want to buy it in their currency. This is what the US can do and their taking control of certain parts of the energy world ensures their supply and ready usage of the currency.

the best thing that can happen to the euro is that it strengthen but market watchers will still have to observe the basic fundamentals of the european economy countries too. A currencies strenght depends on many economic issues not just demand.

if anyone doubts me consider currencies in communistic countries where there was rigid enforced demand (as the euro is attempting to do now with oil suppliers), where they worth anything outside their borders or held in high regard by people in the know? of course not because economic fundamentals were in some cases not being met at all.

*sigh*

They're letting the dollar drop to bring the Asian currencies into line. They've been overvalued for years.

BushCo. made a grave error in judgement defying the UN Security Council and berating our old allys in Europe, based on fraudulent information, bribery and intimidation.
While biding their time and acting friendly, Russia conceals their enmity for the United States. The Russian government is no friend. They wait for their time to strike. By aligning with the European Union, both entities will join to become what the Revelation calls The Revived Roman Empire.
By going with the Euro as a trade currency, Russia would strike a massive blow to the US economy. OPEC would feel secure to follow. This chain of events would be as catastrophic as a nuclear bomb going off in Manhattan. Economic warfare is every bit as deadly as brute force.
Here's an article from the Moscow Times:
www.moscowtimes.ru...

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
... The Russian government is no friend. They wait for their time to strike. ...By going with the Euro as a trade currency, Russia would strike a massive blow to the US economy..... OPEC would feel secure to follow. ...

Exactly !

[Edited on 11-10-2003 by smirkley]

It's truly frightening for national security. For those who havn't started preparing for catastrophies to come, (i.e. power outages, fuel shortages, "terror attacks" etc.) NOW IS THE TIME! A day is coming that may see us as a nation thrown back a hundred years, at least.

In all honesty, I forsee us in major military conflict with OPEC nations within 30-60 days of OPEC officially adopting the Euro. After that, it is iffy that we may be in direct military conflict with Russia, although it is a distinct possibility.

The day russia will be enter the �-zone is not tomorrow. Russia is not economically and socially stable enought to enter the EU.

And before russia : romania, p�lland, czecka and many other eastern europe countries are waiting to enter the �uroZone...

Anyway, Russia should first have a democratic politic before to join the EU.

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
The day russia will be enter the �-zone is not tomorrow. Russia is not economically and socially stable enought to enter the EU.

And before russia : romania, p�lland, czecka and many other eastern europe countries are waiting to enter the �uroZone...

Anyway, Russia should first have a democratic politic before to join the EU.

I dont think that Russia has any delusions about joining the EU. I think they are simply alligning themselves with the EU financially and both financially and militarily with OPEC to create a unified front against the US.

Politically, Russia intends to remain an island unto itself.

If the U.S. does go to war with either Russia or Iran, are they prepared for a nuclear defense by these OPEC nations? I'm certain we have a boatload of tech to defend against such weaponry (HAARP, weapons satellites, anti-grav vehicles, and whatever that weapon was in the 1991 NASA STS-48 video).

[Edited on 11-10-2003 by heelstone]

I dont think we would have any problem defending against Iran, as they dont currently have a working nuclear weapon.

Against Russia may be a different story however.

Russia has ZEVs, which is thier version of HAARP. Although not as powerful, it can still do a good deal of damage. I do not know if they have any X Craft, but considering the level of cooperation on the subject in the past, they probably have a good deal of knowlege of them.

Originally posted by dragonrider
I dont think we would have any problem defending against Iran, as they dont currently have a working nuclear weapon.

DR,

You are out of your mind.

Check here!!!

It's not certain Iran dont have any nuclear materials. They can have bought nuclear heads from the russian mafia.

DR : Actually; russia is a country in chaos. Putin is a dictator, but he is in deal with the mafias, and actually, it's the mafias who rule the eastern europe.