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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 06:54 PM
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Finland Ufo Case








Real or CGI?




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 06:58 PM
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I would say CGI. The reflection in the water seems to be wrong. Instead of seeing a mirror image of the side of the craft, I would think you would see the bottom of it. I would also say that the reflection would be more distorted considering the size of the waves.

Just an opinion as I know very little about analyzing photos or CGI.

[edit on 21/3/06 by Skibum]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:14 PM
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I am not an expert.

But, the reflection seems to be slightly left of the top object. Also, the reflection (in my amatuer point of view) looks like it has been intentionally smudged.

My guess? Something thrown in front of the camera and the reflection added later.

NC



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:27 PM
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The article said they took 2 pics why not show the other one?

Are they holding it back so they can try to sell it (presuming someone actually believes the first is real)?



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:04 PM
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it looks like a composite.
Look at the tree line and the clouds in the reflection Their reflections are significantly distorted matching the surface wakes.

In contrast the UFO's reflection is clean and free of distortion. More like a cut/paste+flip horizontal with 50% transparency. The reflection as it is acts more like a drop shadow than a real reflection.

If someone where to ask me to guess at the scale of the object I would say something as big or twice as big as a manhole cover. If taken from a small 4 man boat / canoe with no zoom.

EDIT:

There is also appears to be a problem with the scale of the reflection. KEEP IN MIND you could argue that means there is a ripple distortion.



Scaled/Stretched to closer match the reflection in the image





[edit on 21-3-2006 by nullster]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:16 PM
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Yeah just a paste in. The pixelation is also infinitely smoother and significantly less in compression, in comparison to the surrounding shot.

Ya know it's like, if youre gonna do it, at least start with an uncompressed background plate.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:17 PM
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Well, to me it looks exactly like a flying saucer scoutship flown by alien visitors from the Pleaides. Or, as we're spelling it these days, "Plejaiejdejs."

And of course the reflection in the water isn't what you would expect from a regular Earth-type object, you silly-billies! You're looking at a distortion effect created by the ship's electrogravity-wave drive. If anything, it's even MORE proof that it's an authentic photo of an alien ship.




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:24 PM
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Any of you read Douglass Adams? You remember the alien species that got Dent's words that got caught in a wormhole and transported across the galaxy, winding up at an alien planet where those words caused them, eventually, to mount an invasion fleet against earth, only to be eaten by a small dog?

I think this picture is of those aliens! Look at how small that thing is!



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:25 PM
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Nullster-
I think it's just a matter of halftoned edges, I see the last bit of pixelation at the top position of the duplicated object, lines down match ok.




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:29 PM
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Utterly unscientific...but I held a vertical straight edge to your example jritzmann, and I swear the reflection is too far left.

NC



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake
I think this picture is of those aliens! Look at how small that thing is!

This particular model is a "sport" model, and .room is not one of its selling points.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:39 PM
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The '.room' is more than adequate if you're living in the horizontal dimension.

NC



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 08:59 PM
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Someone with the know how and excellent software zoom in real good on the ufo - that will speak a million answers I'm sure!

I'll check back to see if anyone does it, anxious to see the results then!



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:04 PM
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Somewhere at some point someone is going to try and make a point in staging a fake to discredit our software experience and skill sets. " See...You guys are out to debunk everything"...etc etc. I can almost taste it.
In the meantime I'm remaining open while staying sharp and maintaining my objectivety.


[edit on 21-3-2006 by nullster]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by NotClever
Utterly unscientific...but I held a vertical straight edge to your example jritzmann, and I swear the reflection is too far left.

NC


If ya look at the last pixels over the image of the disc, you'll still see the blur of reflection. Blow it up large and have a look see.

Not unscientific at all either, hell man we dont have exactly high res imagery here...LOL...we could all be wrong. But, like I said it's got some earmarks that dont look quite right to me. But ya have to understand we're trying to figure out an image that (in online format) is like looking thru a piece of textured plexiglass at an image.

[edit on 21-3-2006 by jritzmann]

[edit on 21-3-2006 by jritzmann]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by nullster
Somewhere at some point someone is going to try and make a point in staging a fake to discredit our software experience and skill sets. " See...You guys are out to debunk everything"...etc etc. I can almost taste it.
In the meantime I'm remaining open while staying sharp and maintaining my objectivety.


[edit on 21-3-2006 by nullster]


LOL...no doubt. It's happened to me already, more then a few times face to face with someone, online...even worse. I been wrong before, I aint ashamed to admit it. So have alot more high profile people then me...nobody's right all the time.

There's definitely something to the "UFO/alien" question, and that being said, knowing how important that real data is, I'll lay it on the line every time to ask the hard questions and point out thigns that dont add up to me....

...otherwise, we're not being just fooled by a hoaxer, but fooling ourselves.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by AngelWings9999
Someone with the know how and excellent software zoom in real good on the ufo - that will speak a million answers I'm sure! I'll check back to see if anyone does it, anxious to see the results then!




Sorry ...
...couldn't resist.

Here's something more useful. IF the object is a disk, the reflection is wrong because it's too skinny. The camera would see the reflected image from a lower angle, as if the object is higher in sky. Maybe this diagram will make it more clear:



Most people don't realize that aspect of vision/photography. That's the problem with cut-n-paste, it can't compensate for physics.

The reflection is almost a pix-to-pix copy of the disk. Here's what happens if you flip the disk and subtract it from the reflection (it would have been a bit smoother if I actually bothered to mask out the sky, but *yawn* it's late):




posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by rand

Originally posted by AngelWings9999
Someone with the know how and excellent software zoom in real good on the ufo - that will speak a million answers I'm sure! I'll check back to see if anyone does it, anxious to see the results then!




Sorry ...
...couldn't resist.

Here's something more useful. IF the object is a disk, the reflection is wrong because it's too skinny. The camera would see the reflected image from a lower angle, as if the object is higher in sky. Maybe this diagram will make it more clear:



Most people don't realize that aspect of vision/photography. That's the problem with cut-n-paste, it can't compensate for physics.

The reflection is almost a pix-to-pix copy of the disk. Here's what happens if you flip the disk and subtract it from the reflection (it would have been a bit smoother if I actually bothered to mask out the sky, but *yawn* it's late):




LOL...nice. The blimp as been outfitted with stealth technology....gonna do wonders for advertising.


Hey another good point on the reflection. Pesky perspective.



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 09:14 AM
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Im by no means any ufo expert.. but it seems very thin.. Lid from a paint bucket used as a frisbee ??



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 09:42 AM
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Thanks for the excellent photo analysis, jritz and Nullster! Do either of you have a photograph of a UFO that you think is the real thing? I would love to see it! Thanks!



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