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ATS: COSCO, a Military Chinese Company Operating in a U.S. Pier.

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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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Senator Wayne Allard, has been sent a letter from concerned, and unknown U.S. citizens, raising concerns over the plans which the company COSCO seems to have in mind, for possible Chinese military operations at Pier J in Long Beach, CA. The reg flag was raised when Senators were requested to sign a "Breach of Security Petition" which was sent by Jonathan Moseley, Exec. Director of the "U.S. Seaport Commission, PO Box 921, Frederick , MD 21705. The petition is asking for the 109th Congress to pass a legislation to restore Pier J to U.S. control immediately.
 



www.congress.org
The Petition states that the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) and the Red Chinese have a base of operations at Pier J in Long Beach, CA. Cosco plans to operate modern "Tusunami Class" submarines, which can enter L.A. Harbor at Pier J and threaten the National Security of the U.S. The Petition demands that the 109th Congress pass Legislation to restore Pier J to U.S. control at once. Allowing the Red Chinese Army to operate at Pier J has breached the security of the USA.

We are VERY concerned about this. Why would China (COSCO) need submarines in their cargo fleet!!! Do they want to park them at pier J on America's own west coast!


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Although there seems to be a misunderstanding, as far as I know there is no Tsunami class submarine. I believe the submarine they are talking about is the XIA, which is a chinese submarine which is armed with the Julang-1, also known as Giant WAve or Tsunami.

This article comes straight from a Representative of the U.S. government, I don't think anyone can dismiss this.

I would really like to know exactly what happened. COSCO, which has ties to the Chinese military, are the main exporters of Chinese arms among some of the other businesses they perform for the CCP.

Was Moseley, Executive Director of the U.S. Seaport Commission, approached by officials of COSCO trying to bribe him to accept some sort of deal?

I must admit that for now we do not know exactly how Moseley became aware of this. But if the story is true, which I don't see any reasons why it would not be true, it raises a lot of questions.

This article came to my attention thanks to our member Malichai. Below is a link to his own thread in which he made me aware of this story.

Related News Links:
www.cosco.com
www.jamestown.org
www.usseaportcommission.org...
www.usseaportcommission.org...

Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion Threads:
China owned port to host Chinese Submarines in L.A. Harbor


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[edit on 3-22-2006 by Valhall]




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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This is obviously some ploy to take advantage of the DPW deal to test the waters on how far they can go with their U.S. holdings. I wonder what China will do if another outroar makes it impossible for Congress to do anything but kick them out...

I think this is a major, major event here, the beginning of China using its newfound economic muscle against us.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:07 PM
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Yesterday when someone posted a similar subject, I was wondering if the petition they linked to which is not the same os this site, was real??

Now assuming it is real since it is on a senators website, I wonder if there is come kind of cover up going on here? Why no mention of this in MSM?

Really makes you wonder huh?



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:16 PM
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Hmmmm as noted before, this is fairly inconsistent with what we know about the PLAANS submarine fleet. China has 4 classes of nuclear subs including the 'Jin" class aka Type 094 which is purportedly under development and will not be fielded till 2010 at best. They also have 1 Xia class SSBN which is armed with the JL-2 9notationa range of about 4000 nm. and according to reports have never left Chinese waters.

I doubt highly that China would sail any of thier 8 nuclear powered subs into a US port unless it was part of a military meet and greet etc. It is also unlikely that the US would allow a Chinese warship free and unrestricted acess to a US port as described above unless it was par tof an official exchange.

If any SSN showed up, no doubt it would have quite a USN escort and if they got frisky, it would have a short but exciting life. And given the range of its missiles, it is very unlikely that the SSBN would show up and then launch



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:19 PM
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The Xia class SSBN was initially armed with 12 JL-1 (CSS-N-3) SLBMs. Operations have been limited and the Xia has never sailed beyond Chinese regional waters. The sole existing Xia-class SSBN may never have made an operational deployment, and had reportedly been in overhaul or undergoing disposal since 1995. Somewhat surprisingly, the Xia was sighted during PLAN exercises in December 2000. This is the first time the Xia had been sighted at sea since it was upgraded in 1995.

A second hull was launched in 1982, but the status of this boat remains uncertain. It is certainly not currently in service, with unsubstantiated reports claiming it was lost in a 1985 accident.

It is generally agreed that the single unit of this class entered the shipyard in 1995. Some sources suggest the work was possibly to fit the new JL-2 SLBM system, with the upgrade expected to be completed in 1998. The JL-2 (CSS-NX-4) SLBM is reported to carry 3 or 4 MIRV (90kT each) or a single 250kt warhead with a range of 8,000km. Other reports suggest that as of late 1999 China was completing re-construction the last Xia-class missile submarine, with a modified design that can launch the new longer-range JL-2s. However, authoritative sources doubt that the Type 92 is being modified to launch the JL-2.

www.globalsecurity.org...

The only current SSBN owned by the Chinese shoots missiles with an 8000KM range. They would have to dock at LA harbor and shoot missiles at the US *why* exactly? It never even left coastal waters for god's sake! Why would the Chinese risk their *ONE* SSBN by trying to dock it in a US port? Let's use a little common sense and logical thinking here. It's fear mongering at its worst.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:36 PM
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The source article for this submission is a letter to the editor. I think we deserve something just a bit more substantive for an ATSNN submission.

[edit on 2006/3/21 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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Well, I did find the following.


United States Seaport Commission calls on Congress to overturn Dubai Ports World Contract and evict China Ocean Shipping Company from Long Beach, California

A leading conservative cause public policy organization is asking Congress to make it illegal for any company which is owned, controlled or dominated by any foreign government to manage or exert any form of control over any seaport ports of entry into the United States.

Demanding that Congress “reverse a policy mistake of the federal government that has cut across Administrations from President Bill Clinton through the current President Bush,” Jon Moseley, the Executive Director of the United States Seaport Commission said in a letter to Congress released on February 27, that “Foreign governments must not gain control or continue their control over ports of entry in the United States.”

Targeting both the recently signed Dubai Ports World $6.8 billion contract to take over six major eastern seaports and the China Ocean Shipping Company operating out of Pier J in Long Beach, California, Moseley said these operations constitute a “clear and present danger to America and our legitimate national security interests” in his letter to Senators and Congressmen.


Excerpted from.
www.usseaportcommission.org...

I am sending emails to both Senator Wayne Allard, and Mr. Moseley, to see if we can get more information on why he is saying this about COSCO. There is no mention on the above link why they say that "COSCO" constitutes a "clear and present danger to America".

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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:18 PM
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I sent an email to Mr. Moseley, and I asked him to allow me to make his comments public. I will post in here his comments as soon as I get his response.

I also would like to add the following comments which are excerpted from one of Mr. Moseley's statements on this matter.


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Astonishingly, China’s COSCO controls an expanded Pier J at Long Beach in Los Angeles Harbor, even after Chinese Gen. Xiong Guang Kai threatened to ‘rain nuclear bombs on Los Angeles.’ Should Los Angeles feel secure? COSCO is owned 100% by the communist Chinese military, and COSCO ships have been deployed in Chinese military exercises and are designated as zhanjian, or “warship.” Hong Kong’s Ming Pao newspaper reported that China’s Navy is stepping up its refitting of China’s COSCO ships for use in war. Just last summer, yet another Chinese General threatened a nuclear attack against the U.S. Curiously, the General did not lose his job…! Delivery of a nuclear bomb on board a cargo ship would offer no warning and leave no trace of its Chinese origins after the ship was vaporized.

U.S. Customs caught the Chinese Overseas Shipping Company smuggling 2,000 fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles - destined for Los Angeles street gangs – aboard The Empress Phoenix. The guns were manufactured by China’s Poly Technologies, which is owned and managed by the Chinese government. Court documents reveal that Poly Technologies planned to expand their smuggling into the U.S. to Chinese-made hand grenades, mortars, RPG-7 anti-tank rockets and hand-held anti-aircraft missiles capable of knocking commercial airliners out of the sky.


Excerpted form.
www.usseaportcommission.org...

For now, it does seems that the sender/senders of that letter "might" have misunderstood what Mr. Moseley was saying, but I am still going to wait until Mr. Moseley responds to my email.

As for the above comment, we can see that the Chinese company COSCO, and the CCP, consider COSCO ships as warships. This comes directly from Mr. Moseley.

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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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They're warships in the same sense that the Civil Reserve Fleet in the US are warplanes. China has almost ZERO long range transport so in the event of a war they will grab all COSCO ships and use them as transports. As such they have to meet a certain standard.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:44 PM
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COSCO is owned by the CCP. It is a military company...

I don't understand how can anyone try to defend COSCO knowing that it is a Chinese military company.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:46 PM
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The source article for this submission is a letter to the editor. I think we deserve something just a bit more substantive for an ATSNN submission.


Not an editor in this case it was addressed to a Senator. I think the original that came out a few days ago went to an editor but this one is addressed to


Sen. Wayne Allard

March 18, 2006

Senator Allard,


We have been asked to sign a "Breach of Security Petition", sent to us by Jonathan Moseley, Exec.
Source


[edit on 3/21/2006 by shots]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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COSCO is owned by the CCP. It is a military company...


And that means that China is going to park sumarines in LA and fire missiles at the US? Or they're going to invade us? You're reaching for the fear mongering now.


[edit on 3/21/2006 by Zaphod58]



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Ah, so saying "you are reaching for the fearmongering now" is enough of a reason to allow COSCO to keep control of US ports after knowing full well that it is an arm of the Chinese military, and after knowing that the Chinese have made threats to destroy U.S. cities and having Chinese military officials say that "war with the United States is inevitable????.....


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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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They don't "control US ports", they control A PIER at *A* US port. Nice try at making it sound worse though.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 10:01 PM
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From the original source:


The Petition states that the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) and the Red Chinese have a base of operations at Pier J in Long Beach, CA. Cosco plans to operate modern "Tusunami Class" submarines, which can enter L.A. Harbor at Pier J and threaten the National Security of the U.S. The Petition demands that the 109th Congress pass Legislation to restore Pier J to U.S. control at once. Allowing the Red Chinese Army to operate at Pier J has breached the security of the USA.

www.congress.org...

Yup, Pier J is the entire port, so I guess you're right, COSCO *DOES* run entire ports in the US.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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True, they control a pier...


Last year, it was Cosco that delivered to the State of California 2,000 AK-47's. The company that builds the AK-47's, the company that negotiates the trade of AK-47's around the world, the company Cosco, all set up by the PRC, the People's Republic of China, owns. They do not report to department heads. Their CEO is Communist China, all owned and coordinated and controlled by Communist China. Yet, they delivered over 2,000 AK-47's into our country, with the intent of selling these arms to our inner cities to disrupt, to disrupt our inner cities, and disrupt our political environment within the United States of America.


Excerpted from.
www.fas.org...

But nice try to make it sound less threatening than it really is.....



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 10:45 PM
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FredT, as to your report on the Xia class submarines, I only have the following to add.


The Xia class SSBN was initially armed with 12 JL-1 (CSS-N-3) SLBMs.A major update of the class started in 1995 to fit the new JL-2 SLBM system, with the upgrade expected to be completed in 1998. The JL-2 (CSS-NX-4) SLBMs is reported to carry 3 or 4 MIRV (90kT each) or a single 250kt warhead with a range of 8,000km.

Operations have been limited and the Xia has never sailed beyond Chinese regional waters. Despite a potential for operations in the Pacific Ocean, capabilities would be very limited against modern Western or Russian ASW capabilities.

A second hull was launched in 1982, but the status of this boat remains uncertain. It is certainly not currently in service, with unsubstantiated reports claiming it was lost in a 1985 accident.


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www.fas.org...

Was that submarine truly lost in an accident? There are only unsubstantiated reports about that.

To the people asking exactly what would be the point for the Chinese to sacrifice one of their submarines being so close to U.S soil, the anwser is simple.

If, and I am saying if, there are any plans by the Chinese to make any surprise attacks on the U.S., the best way to make sure that the U.S. military is crippled is by launching a nuclear device and detonating it in the atmosphere, creating an EMP that would destroy every electronic device in the vicinity of the explosion.

Having a sub so close to U.S. soil, will certainly hinder any capability, and will shorten the time, by which our forces could take down that missile and respond to such an attack.

The CCP play chess, and sacrificing a piece in order to deal a major blow to their main enemy, is nothing if it brings them victory.

This would be the perfect surprise attack.

Even if that is not the goal of the CCP, i think that we should get control over "every pier and port" in U.S. soil.

We have had several problems with Chinese companies, owned and operated by the CCP, being caught trying to import weapons, and missiles into the U.S.

The following is another case of another Chinese, CCP owned company which was caught trying to import, in this case missiles into the U.S.


Federal investigators have linked a Chinese state-run export company to a conspiracy to sell surface-to-air missiles in the United States, Justice Department officials said.

The China Xinshidai Group, a conglomerate of several Chinese state-run manufacturers, is accused in a scheme to illegally export Chinese missiles to the United States through organized crime groups.

"This is all part of the conspiracy to sell, essentially, surface-to-air missiles manufactured by the Xinshidai company in China," one official said.
The officials said the case also involves bribes paid to a foreign government, but they would not elaborate.


Charges in the case have been drawn up by federal prosecutors in Los Angeles, and an indictment for conspiracy to import missiles designed to shoot down aircraft is expected to be issued in the near future, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Justice Department spokesmen in Los Angeles declined to comment. A Xinshidai spokesman could not be reached for comment.
The case is the first to be investigated under a 2004 law that makes it a crime to traffic in missiles designed to destroy aircraft.


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www.washtimes.com...

And this is what U.S. agencies have been able to catch, but how many operations like the one described above could have passed under the radar of U.S. agencies?

and how many more operations could the CCP try to import missiles, weapons, and who knows what other military equipment into U.S. soil?

---edited to add comment---

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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 11:09 PM
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I made some changes to the original post, changing the introduction line to what Mr. Moseley is actually on record as saying, until I get a response directly from him. I also added links.



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 03:46 AM
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BTW, anyone who doesn't believe that COSCO is a military company, and not what they claim to be here is the following excerpt and link with some interesting information.


COSCO: China Ocean Shipping Company, or Cosco, was deemed by the U.S. House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare to be a military-related entity. According to the Task Force report, "Although presented as a commercial entity, Cosco is actually an arm of the Chinese Military."116 The shipping firm was reportedly denied its request to lease a Long Beach naval base due primarily to national security considerations according to an Investor's Business Daily report and was implicated in the delivery of advanced weaponry and, possibly, proscribed proliferation-related materials from China to Pakistan and Iran.117 A Cosco ship was also involved in the failed 1996 attempt by China to smuggle automatic weapons to California street gangs.118 More recently, the company was cited by the Washington Times for its role in transporting weapons to Cuba.


Excerpted from.
www.uscc.gov...



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 04:22 AM
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Why is fearmongering against the Arab World okay though? China threatens Taiwan, which is an ally of the US almost every week with invasion. Heck the Chinese have even made veiled threats at the US and furthermore, North Korea, China's puppet state has threatened the USA.

Get China out of US Ports.

Those people are lucky that we buy all their garbage manufactured for $1 dollar stores.



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