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Saddam's Doppelganger In Court?

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posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 05:33 PM
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It has been a long while since I participated in the ATS community, at this point I'm not sure if this discussion has been presented to date.

However..

Could it be Saddam Hussien doppelganger in court and not the real brutal dictator? One thing is for sure, not even Saddam's wife could not recognize her own husband. Judging by this collaged photograph provided below, you will see the doppelganger Saddam clearly has a ragged underbite, while the Saddam of the past has well established teeth with a more than obvious overbite.

The Underbite Doppelganger Saddam.






The Real Overbite Saddam.







Conclussion: You Decide.




Could it be true? Is the world that gullible; believing that the real Saddam was actually taken alive from a remote foxhole?

[edit on 21-3-2006 by syntaxer]




posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 09:56 PM
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Only his dentist knows for sure...

But, I have no reason to think it's an imposter, unless of course the government is trying to pull a fast one. And this is another of his doubles.
Do you figure the real guy is dead?



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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I have a good thread on ATS about the whole teeth thing.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've been following the trial somewhat recently as well, it's a circus, the latest act of which features the judge cutting off Hussien's microphone and clearing the press out when he started to talk about the US and British involvement within the insurgency.



posted on Mar, 21 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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The government might fool Joe Blow on Main Street, USA, but there's no way they could fool Sahim Ahmed-Blo on Palestine Street, NE, Baghdad, Iraq.

[edit on 2006/3/21 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The government might fool Joe Blow on Main Street, USA, but there's no way they could fool Sahim Ahmed-Blo on Palestine Street, NE, Baghdad, Iraq.


Hey GradyPhilpott, you can't possibly be referring to this guy? Look at all the Ahmed-Blo's being taken for the fool.




Will the real Saddam please stand-up, please stand-up, na-na-nannana... Look, the Saddam double is even doing the hip-hop waving of the hands for ya..


You can honestly say that the man in the photograph below is the actual Saddam Hussein? I'm not trying to rag on you per say, to be honest, I'm greatly dispointed in that no such Western Media outlet has done any Cooper Anderson 360 investigative work to date.

That's all..



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posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 02:10 PM
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Everyone knows that Saddam had doubles. It was easy to see that everyone who was ever in his entourage wore the same uniform and had the same style mustache as his. However, we are not talking about one of Saddam's frequent staged public appearances.

We are talking about the trial of the Butcher of Baghdad. The Iraqi people, who lived under his oppressive and brutal regime, are not interested in a trial of his doubles. They are interested in bringing Saddam Hussein to justice and yes, I do believe that the Iraqi people have ways to be certain that the man on trial is Saddam. What would be the purpose of trying an innocent look-alike, if the "real McCoy" could produce a video tape à la Osama bin Laden?

[edit on 2006/3/22 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 02:19 PM
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Well , they say Clinton has a double, they said so the other day when Bush Jr paid a visit to Afghanistan. They even went into detail at MSNBC on how the fake Clinton was on a bogus airplane, made to look like the real presidential one, and how this "clinton" helped out in a covert operation.

Well......If thats the case, wow, anything is possible.



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 02:33 PM
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It wouldnt be that hard to figure out if it was the real Saddam they have his family DNA from either of his two dead sons or living family members. There is also biometric technology which look a likes cant fool and they dont use your teeth. Teeth change over time they can grow crooked fall out etc.. or can be radically changed with veneers, caps. Things like the distance between your eyes and other key points in relation on the face dont really change.

I personally dont understand why any look alike would continue the farse even after Saddam was out of power. The guy has a huge public venue to scream Im not the real Saddam if that was the case.



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
Well , they say Clinton has a double, they said so the other day when Bush Jr paid a visit to Afghanistan.


Do you have links, dg? My search turned up nothing.



posted on Mar, 22 2006 @ 03:22 PM
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Sorry, no links and furthermore, i havent heard another word about it.

I am telling you the truth. They went into quite a lengthy explanation of this.

I still figured it was worth mentioning it.

I was shocked when i heard that.



posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 02:40 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Conclussion: You Decide.


[edit on 21-3-2006 by syntaxer]


Check out the smile of the top right "laughing" Saddam in the second picture. That shows his lower incisors.

He has the same "dent" there, that he does in the left-side photo of the first image, a "recent" Saddam

Also worth remembering - Saddam used to primp and makup just like any hollywood star before making an appearance. Of course he looks rough now - ever seen Avril Lavigne without her makeup?



posted on Mar, 23 2006 @ 05:36 PM
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Looks like the same Saddam Insane to me.



Doesn't look like an underbite and there isn't too many photos of him smiling lately.

[edit on 23-3-2006 by Regenmacher]



posted on Mar, 26 2006 @ 09:32 PM
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I hope you keep posting and good to see you back here.

Please continue to post! There's soooooo much to talk about!



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by dgtempe
I hope you keep posting and good to see you back here.

Please continue to post! There's soooooo much to talk about!


Thanks dgtempe,

Over the past while, I have been caught up in another conspiracy community where ATS Skunk Works is considered the norm. Most people do know me for the extreme conspiracy go-getter..


Regarding Saddam's doppelganger, I am trying to locate reputable sources that contain detailed photo's of maddaS leading up to the intial shock & awe campaign. To date, Al Jazeerah appears to have decent material. Perhaps, someone at ATS is willing to spot out fallacies by means of the naked eye? Right now my little eye does communicate with my brain suggesting that the facial features of maddaS had significantly changed over a one year period.

check it out












Perhaps it was the weight loss that someone might be subjected to while being held in captive. However, I do have a difficult time accepting that the man below is the real 'maddaS' one year later.




posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 09:07 PM
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Well, he was ill back then and almost dying, and one day just suddenly, he was all better.

The guy in court now is the real saddam why would they force him to wear a beard, are they attempting to cover something up?

The real Saddam never wore a beard, always a neat mostache, he was not a religious man he was almost an athiest with socialist and secular ideas, he's hero was stalin and he kept his mostach like that.

What's more Saddam never wore glasses in public, it would have been a sign of weekness, just as hitler never whore his glasses, HOWEVER, now in court it seems that the glasses they give "pseudo-saddam" keep getting bigger and bigger every weak, the last one i saw where ridiculously huge clown sized glasses with thick lenses.

What are they attempting to hide???


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Anyway, a true conspiracy theorist would know, that even though the powers that be, try to make it as if one man is in controll of everything, that is hardly the case.

These heads of state are nothing but actors. Just read george orwells description of big brother, it's exactly the same as stalin, saddam... it's all so formulaic.

we all know who runs the shadow government.


So wether or not they replaced the actor... i don't know how much of a difference that will make to the story.


[edit on 27-3-2006 by Syrian Sister]



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 09:43 PM
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syntaxer,
You are seemingly an intelligent and astute individual.

Having said that, I have just a couple questions:
Between twitchy and yourself, among any others who side with the "doppelganger" theory, I find it ironic that between teeth and photos, neither of you have posted the news articles--which have been linked multitudes of times already within a diverse number of past ATS topics on this matter--concerning the DNA tests that were taken to determine and identify the real Saddam from the poser(s).

Now why is that?

Irony aside, being teeth can be created to fit and match, being that cosmetic surgery can create a "doppelganger," can DNA also be created and implanted into a poser(s) to 100% match that of the real Saddam--in other words, so that when DNA testing is done, the poser(s) tested is/are 100% verified as the real Saddam?


If photos, which can be computer enhanced, and teeth, which amount to a set of dentures, are your only proofs and evidences for asserting that the US/Iraqi held Saddam is a poser and that the real Saddam is in Bush's White House basement sipping on some fanciful alcoholic beverage--your choice--then I would suggest that what you two are simply spreading is incomplete misinformation and propaganda. You want to put the nail in the coffin, in respects to giving your arguments and assertions validity, then find and follow-up on those DNA tests that were done on the captured Saddam... you think?





seekerof

[edit on 27-3-2006 by Seekerof]



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 09:49 PM
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Well, I don't know about the others, but I'd put money on the guy in the bottom left being John Travolta!



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:01 PM
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I thought the skunkworks were for discussion and exploration of a theory rather than debunking? NEway...


Irony aside, being teeth can be created to fit and match, being that cosmetic surgery can create a "doppelganger," can DNA also be created and implanted into a poser(s) to 100% match that of the real Saddam--in other words, so that when DNA testing is done, the poser(s) tested is/are 100% verified as the real Saddam?

Playing devils advocate for a second...

Were the DNA tests indepedantly verified? What if Saddam is after all is said and done, a CIA plant, and he's been "extracted"? I'm sure this has been mentioned before, just thought I'd repeat it.



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by sardion2000
Were the DNA tests indepedantly verified? What if Saddam is after all is said and done, a CIA plant, and he's been "extracted"? I'm sure this has been mentioned before, just thought I'd repeat it.


First off, I was not necessarily debunking, sardion2000.
Secondly, I was merely making and asking a few observational questions.
In topics such as this, is it not the purpose of such spirited discussion to find the truth?
If the truth is priority, then there is no room for disinformation and propaganda. As such, why simply present photos and teeth as evidence and proof for a poser Saddam, while ignoring the fact that DNA tests were taken to verify a poser from the real deal?

Are my helpful questions not of merit in any quest to discover the truth in the matter of identifying poser from real?



Originally posted by sardion2000
Were the DNA tests indepedantly verified?

Not 100% sure on that, hence suggesting that the DNA tests be followed-up on.
I do know that when the "Saddam" was captured, soon after transport to a US base, he was DNA tested by the US military, who had a record of the real Saddam's DNA makeup for matching purposes. What happened after, that is again apart of the follow-up process suggested.




What if Saddam is after all is said and done, a CIA plant, and he's been "extracted"?

Then that "what if" would go hand-in-hand with Saddam being in Bush's White House basement sipping on some fanciful alcoholic beverage, eh?









seekerof

[edit on 27-3-2006 by Seekerof]



posted on Mar, 27 2006 @ 10:43 PM
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Seekerof Said:
Between twitchy and yourself, among any others who side with the "doppelganger" theory,

You can count me in with twitchy and that crowd on basically everything.


I respect what you are saying Seekerof. I'd like to know more about the DNA testing because isn't DNA only as good as the hands that gathered it and tested it? I mean, it's in the realm of having to trust the "experts" whereas any pair of eyeballs can see that Fat-Saddam is different in a lot of ways, not the least of which is his behavior.

I'm not on one side or the other, really, but the showy nature of the trial, and the way this Saddam is allow to act like a jackass when he is captured on videotape ordering men to die --well it's just silly.

If we were really just after Saddam (ludicrous) we would hang him and be done with it. But no, we are stirring up the jihadists. Saddam's job is to continue acting like a jackass. He is glad for any attention, as he has been from the start of his political career. Any duplicate of Saddam would presumably be instructed to act similarly belligerant.

The point is: You'll not hear this Saddam, fake or real, encourage peace among Muslims. Of this much, I am certain.





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