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Originally posted by Muaddib
Every chinese company is owned and controlled by the CCP, the Chinese military.
Source article: China's "COSCO" Building Tsunami Class Submarines for Pier J, Long Beach, CA
The Petition states that the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) and the Red Chinese have a base of operations at Pier J in Long Beach, CA. Cosco plans to operate modern "Tusunami Class" submarines, which can enter L.A. Harbor at Pier J and threaten the National Security of the U.S.
No Foreign control of U.S. Seaports - Statement of the U.S. Seaports Commision
U.S. Customs caught the Chinese Overseas Shipping Company smuggling 2,000 fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles - destined for Los Angeles street gangs – aboard The Empress Phoenix. The guns were manufactured by China’s Poly Technologies, which is owned and managed by the Chinese government. Court documents reveal that Poly Technologies planned to expand their smuggling into the U.S. to Chinese-made hand grenades, mortars, RPG-7 anti-tank rockets and hand-held anti-aircraft missiles capable of knocking commercial airliners out of the sky.
Chinese exporter linked to missile scheme
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 26, 2005
Federal investigators have linked a Chinese state-run export company to a conspiracy to sell surface-to-air missiles in the United States, Justice Department officials said.
The China Xinshidai Group, a conglomerate of several Chinese state-run manufacturers, is accused in a scheme to illegally export Chinese missiles to the United States through organized crime groups.
"This is all part of the conspiracy to sell, essentially, surface-to-air missiles manufactured by the Xinshidai company in China," one official said. (Continued at source)
Capital Markets Transparency and Security:
The Nexus Between U.S.-China Security Relations and America's Capital Markets
COSCO: China Ocean Shipping Company, or Cosco, was deemed by the U.S. House of Representatives Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare to be a military-related entity. According to the Task Force report, "Although presented as a commercial entity, Cosco is actually an arm of the Chinese Military."116 The shipping firm was reportedly denied its request to lease a Long Beach naval base due primarily to national security considerations according to an Investor's Business Daily report and was implicated in the delivery of advanced weaponry and, possibly, proscribed proliferation-related materials from China to Pakistan and Iran.117 A Cosco ship was also involved in the failed 1996 attempt by China to smuggle automatic weapons to California street gangs.118 More recently, the company was cited by the Washington Times for its role in transporting weapons to Cuba.
No Foreign control of U.S. Seaports
COSCO is owned 100% by the communist Chinese military, and COSCO ships have been deployed in Chinese military exercises and are designated as zhanjian, or “warship.” Hong Kong’s Ming Pao newspaper reported that China’s Navy is stepping up its refitting of China’s COSCO ships for use in war.
We now know for certain that COSCO wants to put two submarines in U.S. soil, and disguise them as "civilian ships".
Originally posted by Muaddib
Well Majic, your statements would have a ring of truth if all these facts didn't exist:
Originally posted by xmotex
We do?!?
We know know a guy named Sean Jester is claiming that China is building 18,000 ton submarines. We know he's affiliated with something called the US Seaports Commission, which is pretty clearly a citizens group and not a government agency. Beyond that, we still don't know much more than we did at the time of the initial post.
Al Santoli
Director and President of the Asia-America Initiative.
Mr. Santoli is a noted specialist on security issues in the Asia-Pacific region. He is a Pulitzer Prize and American Book Award-nominated best-selling author of military history, including EVERYTHING WE HAD: An Oral History of the Vietnam War. He is a Vietnam infantry veteran who received three Purple Hearts. His areas of expertise include Chinese foreign and security policy, transnational crime and terrorism in Asia, and U.S.-Taiwan policy. He is the editor of the Asia America Initiative's China In-Focus and Asia Security Focus.
China Reform Monitor No. 266, December 23, 1999
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, D.C.
COSCO orders two submarines for "special purpose";
China spy manual for military technology detailed
Editor: Al Santoli
December 8
China's China Ocean Shipping Company [COSCO] has contracted the building of two 18,000 ton submarines for the formation of the COSCO Guangzhou "special purpose" fleet, reports the COSCO Web site News Center. The designs of the two submersible vessels were copied from the works of European companies. An advanced electronic propelling system was included in the design. COSCO adds, this is the first order that China's domestic shipyards have ever received for the building of such vessels.
Originally posted by Majic
Sub-Optimal Conditions
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Nothing you've presented explains how basing Chinese submarines in L.A. Harbor would make a lick of sense.
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Originally posted by Muaddib
First of all, he didn't say anything about these submarines docking on the L.A. port, but that COSCO, the company that owns Pier J in LA, is the one that is acquiring these subs according to Al Santoli.
Source article: China's "COSCO" Building Tsunami Class Submarines for Pier J, Long Beach, CA
Cosco plans to operate modern "Tusunami Class" submarines, which can enter L.A. Harbor at Pier J and threaten the National Security of the U.S. The Petition demands that the 109th Congress pass Legislation to restore Pier J to U.S. control at once. Allowing the Red Chinese Army to operate at Pier J has breached the security of the USA.
Originally posted by Majic
Dude, I used to ride around in one of these things. Believe me when I tell you that you don't want to park your submarine in your enemy's garage.
Originally posted by Majic
Run Loud, Run Shallow
As indicated above, I am clearly having trouble making sense of all this, hence my confusion regarding the nature of the submarine threat.
Emphasis mine. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what this person means by entering the harbor at Pier J.
Originally posted by Majic
I am not able to understand how this makes sense from the standpoint of modern submarine warfare. Admittedly, things may have changed since my Navy days (back when submarines were made of stone and powered by coal), but submarines are at their most vulnerable in shallow water..
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That's what I'm commenting on. As for all the rest, I really don't have the time or inclination to track all that stuff down.
Originally posted by Majic
Also, while I think the whole "submarines threatening us from L.A. Harbor" angle is silly, I do NOT in any way, shape or form want to suggest that investigating what COSCO is up to in L.A. Harbor and elsewhere is wrong.
Nice try xmotex....
Let's find out what we do know shall we?
Originally posted by Malichai
www.congress.org...
To:
Sen. Wayne Allard
March 18, 2006
Senator Allard,
We have been asked to sign a "Breach of Security Petition", sent to us by Jonathan Moseley, Exec. Director of the "U.S. Seaport Commission, PO Box 921, Frederick , MD 21705. The Petition states that the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) and the Red Chinese have a base of operations at Pier J in Long Beach, CA. Cosco plans to operate modern "Tusunami Class" submarines, which can enter L.A. Harbor at Pier J and threaten the National Security of the U.S. The Petition demands that the 109th Congress pass Legislation to restore Pier J to U.S. control at once. Allowing the Red Chinese Army to operate at Pier J has breached the security of the USA.
We are VERY concerned about this. Why would China (COSCO) need submarines in their cargo fleet!!! Do they want to park them at pier J on America's own west coast!
Boulder , CO
I had mixed feelings about the UAE ports deal, but no question we should not be hosting nuclear capable Chinese subs. What do they need to do over here anyway? Are they protecting Mexico or something?