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Originally posted by xmotex
BTW Zaphod58, you really think that if the CCP wants to try to invade the U.S. they are going to go ask for permission? i think not.
This is just silly scaremongering for the extremely gullible.
It doesn't even make any sense...
The most appalling thought is that even thou Chinese officials have made declarations of war against the U.S., that war with the U.S. is inevitable and that the CCP must make sure China wins and delivers the first blow, there are still people who "think is just silly scaremongering and it doesn't make sense...."
Originally posted by koji_K
Chinese (or any foreign military vessels) need specific permission when they enter ANY port in the US, and in the case of nations where we have not-quite-friendly relationships with, such visits are usually big affairs. Ownership of a port doesn't change that.
This letter is based on a misconception.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
And muaddib, have you ever actually LOOKED at the forces China could bring to bear? An invasion by them would last 2 days. They would have NO air support, NO ressuply, they would have to choose between armor and infantry, etc. It is not possible for China to sucessfully invade the US. The distances involved make it a joke logistically.
Originally posted by Malichai
And if this is all a joke the elected representative needs to take it down from his website, and put up an explanation.
Sino-Russian Treaty Challenges U.S.
Col. Stanislav Lunev
Thursday, July 19, 2001
The West's worst Cold War nightmare became a reality Monday when Russia's President Vladimir Putin and his Red China counterpart, Jiang Zemin, signed the first post-Soviet treaty of "friendship and cooperation" in 30 years.
This document formalized 10 years of growing strategic cooperation between Moscow and Beijing based on the intention of both governments to challenge American international position and influence.
In a joint statement, Putin and Jiang expressed hope for a "just and rational new international order" to reflect their concept of a "multipolar" world. The treaty comes amid the two nations' mounting concern over a U.S.-dominated "unipolar" world and ongoing attempts by Moscow and Beijing to draw more nations into the Russian-Chinese axis.
The "friendship and cooperation treaty" formalized Russian-Chinese collaboration on foreign and defense policy matters. From now on, Moscow and Beijing will have a common approach in opposition to the main U.S. interests, notably:
Moscow supported forcible Chinese reclamation of Taiwan, and Beijing supported Russian opposition to the enlargement of NATO.
Both nations united against U.S. plans to build a National Missile Defense system (NMD).
Both oppose American policy in the Middle East, in the Balkans, in Latin America, in Europe, and everywhere else in the world.
Sino-Russian Military Exercise into 3rd Stage
More than 7,000 Chinese and 1,800 Russian troops -- complete with military vessels, fighter jets and amphibious tanks -- will start a three-day live ammunition combat practice tomorrow, according to a senior officer with the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA).
The two armies will play out three scenarios: an offshore blockade involving missile-guided destroyers and jet fighters, an amphibious landing conducted by air forces, marine corps and paratroops, and a forced evacuation, with the participation of Russia's strategic bombers Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 and advanced Chinese fighter planes.
On August 14-16, China and Russia held their first joint practice on these three scenarios on Shandong Peninsula and its surrounding waters.
First China-Russia military exercises conclude
WEIFANG, Shandong, Aug. 25 (Xinhuanet) -- The first China-Russia joint military exercises ended here Thursday after successful maneuvers of 10,000 troops from the Russian and Chinese navy, air force, army and paratroops.
"Through the exercises, the two armed forces enhanced their friendship and mutual trust, and improved their capabilities to meet new challenges and threats and to fight international terrorism, extremism and separatism," said Chinese Defense Minister Cao Gangchuan at the closing ceremony.
Putin Calls Russia Defender of Islamic World
Created: 12.12.2005 18:05 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:43 MSK
Russia is the most reliable partner of the Islamic world and most faithful defender of its interests, Russian President Vladimir Putin said in Chechnya’s capital Grozny. Putin unexpectedly visited the war-ravaged republic to speak in the local parliament that opened for its first sitting on Monday.
“Russia has always been the most faithful, reliable and consistent defender of the interests of the Islamic world. Russia has always been the best and most reliable partner and ally. By destroying Russia, these people (terrorists) destroy one of the main pillars of the Islamic world in the struggle for rights (of Islamic states) in the international arena, the struggle for their legitimate rights,” Putin was quoted by Itar —Tass as saying, drawing applause from Chechen parliamentarians.
West in mortal danger from Islam, says Putin
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels and Julius Strauss in Moscow
Islamic radicals are pursuing the systematic annihilation of non-Muslims, President Vladimir Putin claimed yesterday.
The Russian leader said at a European Union summit in Brussels that western civilisation faced a mortal threat from Muslim terrorists, and claimed that they had plans to create a "worldwide caliphate".
Russia to take Syria's side if conflict with U.S. arises - Russian MPs
20:41 | 20/ 12/ 2005
MOSCOW, December 20 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will take Syria's side if charges against Syrian officials with involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri cause a conflict between the United States and Syria, two Russian parliamentary members said Tuesday.
"If Russia is to choose between its two strategic allies, it will undoubtedly take Syria's side," said Shamil Sultanov, a coordinator of an inter-faction association, Russia and the Islamic World: A Strategic Dialogue.
HAMAS to Arrive in Russia Late February
Sunday, February 12 2006 @ 04:13 PM Eastern Standard Time
Russian President Vladimir Putin signaled for preparations to be carried out for HAMAS’, the Islamic Resistance Movement, visit in February to Russian officials in Moscow. The visitation is an official event arousing the curiosity of the international community.
HAMAS senior officials can pay a visit to the Moscow officials by the end of February, said Aleksandr Kalugin, the Russian Foreign Minister’s Special Envoy for the Middle East Settlement. The statement by President Putin is actually an official invitation, Mr. Kalugin told the Interfax: "There are preparations underway to specify when and how the visit will be carried out.” It will probably be the HAMAS leader Khaled Mashal who will be hosted in Moscow as the HAMAS president, said Mr. Kalugin.
Russia's Putin calls on US to end Iraq war
March 20, 2003
Russian President Vladimir Putin called Thursday on the United States to stop its war against Iraq and rejected US claims that President Saddam Hussein's regime posed a danger to other countries.
However Russia also stressed that Iraq will not splinter Moscow's partnership with Washington in the global anti-terror coalition.
"This military action is unjustified," Putin stressed. "There has been no answer to the main question: Are there weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and if so, which ones?"
"We must continue our dialogue with the US administration in order to convince it that this war will have difficult consequences for everyone, including the United States," Russia's top diplomat said.
"If this war breaks us apart, then it will weaken us in the face of new global threats."
"Iraq has presented no danger, neither for neighbouring countries nor for any region in the world," Putin declared, in a flat contradiction of Washington's view.
Speaking on a visit to Kazakhstan, Mr Putin said Russia had warned the US on several occasions that Iraq was planning "terrorist attacks" on its soil.
"After the events of 11 September 2001, and before the start of the military operation in Iraq, Russian special services several times received such information and passed it on to their American colleagues," he told reporters.
Originally posted by xmotex
That's all very nice, but where the hell does it say anything about Chinese missile subs to be stationed in US ports?
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Can we keep this on topic, please? Thanks!
I also find it rather strange that it seems some people around here would like to suggest that a Chinese company making such a petition is not a big deal....
Originally posted by xmotex
I just find it extremely unlikely such a request would be made in the first place.
"Hey, do you mind if we base our nuclear missile subs in your ports?"
Uh, yeah.... sure.
I'm sorry but I dont think there is a big enough bribe to push that one through... this is either a purely fictional scare story, or a misrepresentation of something else entirely. Probably a bit of paranoia about Chinese merchant shipping - of which there is quite a bit coming to the US. Every time I find myself at a crossing waiting for a freight train to pass, I see about a million COSCO containers on it.
[edit on 3/21/06 by xmotex]
Originally posted by Muaddib
BTW, for the person who submitted this in here, this should be submitted in ATSNN. If this is not ATSNN material....I don't know what is.