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Do American Corporates care for American lives?

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posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 03:06 AM
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Halliburton, the vast Texan oil and military services corporation, was accused by former employees of supplying contaminated water to American troops and Iraqi civilians at a marine base in Ramadi.




According to two former Halliburton employees turned whistleblowers "the company was apparently taking the waste water from the water treatment process, which should have been dumped back in the [Euphrates] river" (from which it was originally extracted -- less than a mile downstream from a raw sewage outlet) and using it as the "non-potable water supply."

This means that thanks to Halliburton/KBR, thousands of troops stationed at the Ramadi base in Iraq have been using a contaminated bilge for bathing, showering, shaving, laundry and cleaning.

A former KBR employee, Ben Carter, a water expert, said he found evidence of contamination last March and immediately sent an email about the problem to his colleagues.
Mr Carter said he resigned after Halliburton officials failed to take any action. "They told me it was none of my concern and to keep my mouth shut," he told AP. "They brushed it under the carpet ... I told everyone: "Don't take showers, use bottled water."

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


There is little doubt that raw sewage is routinely dumped upstream of intake much less than the required two-mile distance.

So does Halliburton really care for American lives? The short answer is NO. As long as the money keeps flowing in.
Shouldn't they be dragged over the coals for this?

The mantra today is:
Ask not what America can do for you. Ask what you can do for American Corporates.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.halliburtonwatch.org...

[edit on 17-3-2006 by mikesingh]




posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 12:01 PM
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Greetings Fellow Believers,

Hallburtin has been busted enough times for extortion, bribery, theft, and misrepresentation since the 1980s that the corporation should be brought up on Federal charges.

If the United States government had the brassy-pair it needs right now--government agents should sieze every document and computer from Hallburtin and effectively shut it down--permanently.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 05:30 PM
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Of course American corporations don't care about average Americans? Why would they? They're rich and powerful and all the rich and powerful care about is well, the rich and powerful.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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"Do American Corporates care for American lives?" Only if you're a large stockholder.

Ten years ago I may have given a different answer. Not anymore.

Question: I wonder why Halliburton didn't take in water upstream from the discharge?



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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Corporations have never cared for americans, just look at history.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by ProudCanadian
Of course American corporations don't care about average Americans? Why would they? They're rich and powerful and all the rich and powerful care about is well, the rich and powerful.


Would this be the same as if I asserted that Canadian corporations don't care about average Canadians?


Please, at your convenience, feel free to replace "Americans" or "Canadians" with any other national descriptive or entity you may wish.








seekerof



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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lol theres two words here - Halliburto + Dick Cheney.

Either give a damn about human lives over money and profit? Nope.

Big business is just that - BIG. Humans are small and inconsequetntial in teir eyes. Profits are all. Big Dick Cheneys their man in the white house, and whilst daddy bush and him are around, Halliburton know they won't go down.

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[edit on 18-3-2006 by sanctum]



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by ProudCanadian
Of course American corporations don't care about average Americans? Why would they? They're rich and powerful and all the rich and powerful care about is well, the rich and powerful.


Would this be the same as if I asserted that Canadian corporations don't care about average Canadians?


Please, at your convenience, feel free to replace "Americans" or "Canadians" with any other national descriptive or entity you may wish.

seekerof


Seekerof is quite right. Corporations exist solely to make more money, nothing else. They would care if a good portion of the population dies; they aren't too compassionate about the individual though, unless that individual sits on the board of directors or any other high level position within the company.

Haliburtan, Monsanto, Dupont, etc. All are in the business to make themselves more money. Nothing else. I'm really starting to think that a paradigm shift is gonna happen soon, as I've noticed more and more people from the Right-wing, are really starting to open their eyes to the problems of Corporate Amorality and Corruption.

Some on here have also aired a desire for change in politics. I don't believe that will be possible until a change in Corporate Politics starts to happen, as it is they who pull the strings of politicians. Getting them under thumb is the first step to return to a "For the People," system of governance.

[edit on 17-3-2006 by sardion2000]



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 07:06 PM
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Haliburton doesn't care for any life, doesnt matter local or foreigner. The fact is no coorporation will ever care for lives. They just care for the money.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 07:21 PM
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This isn't like me to be defending corporate America but here goes.
And as a qualifier; I am a very small American Corporation; LLC actually and I deeply care about American lives because they are my customers/people and not merely a means to an end [profits].

The mega corps that don't care about their employees, customers and that exist only as profit generating machines actually are beneficial to those with the smarts and business acumen to buy their stock. Intelligence and savvy is not evil.

Most American business started as an entrepreneurial enterprise where usually an individual or group worked their asses off to provide a service or product for people. I'm not sure when the line is crossed for a corp. to take on a life of it's own and become evil; but it surely does happen sometimes. Halliburton by giving our troops tainted/poisoned water could be just simple incompetence but I don't think so.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by whaaa
This isn't like me to be defending corporate America but here goes.
And as a qualifier; I am a very small American Corporation; LLC actually and I deeply care about American lives because they are my customers/people and not merely a means to an end [profits].



Thanks for you honest input, actually it's not until corporations become mega corporations and monopolies that they lose any human traits they may have before.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 08:13 PM
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Hey your forgetting 2 of the biggest that dont care about lives lost: Lockhede martin and Boeing, both make bombs, jets, missiles, bullets, you name it.
But dont rule out the others such as coco-cola/pepsi, etc.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Vekar
But dont rule out the others such as coco-cola/pepsi, etc.


Americans who buy soda usually have a source of safe drinking water. In other countries, if soda is sold in towns without even a safe water system, how can that be good? Reminds me of the Swiss Nestle years ago selling powdered baby formula in areas whthout clean water.
"American" companies that have gone global may want to be known as international, not nationally connected to America. Hence, the mom&pop corporation may care for Americans, but big "American" cos might not care for not only Americans but others around the globe.
A local business in my town is upset that WalMart (the American version of the Soviet era GUM) may cause them to lose everything they built up. Despite WalMart making it in the newspaper for every local $ they donate, this mom and pop company donates much more than the local WalMart!



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Corporate malfeasance should be pursued aggressively...

But understand something. Blaming a business for pursuing profit is like complaining about water being wet. They are supposed to be that way! There is nothing inherently wrong with business, or a profit motive.

If there is any failure is the "system," it is the malleable politicians, who in their own self-interest, turn a blind eye toward their responsibility to serve in the public's best interests and fail to hold corporate wrong-doing accountable.

Moreover, it isn't that businesses go wrong...it's the people who run them that do.

Like I said, where corporate malfeasance is the case, I say string the bastards up....BUT BE VERY CAREFUL of creating a condition where the pendulum swings too far in the other direction and you end up with little food on your plate.




[edit on 17-3-2006 by loam]



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 12:06 AM
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Ok earlier when I said "American" I didn't just mean American, I meant any kindof corporation no matter what nationality it's part of. Those *&$%#@!
I hope they're all severely punished in the afterlife!



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 01:20 AM
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I think this goes on to enforce why this nation is so screwed up, everyone says its ok to have greed. These corporations are NOT helping other nations, they are tearing them down by exposing them to chemicals and pollutants. Also its the job of the GOVERNMENT to take care of the peoples necessities of life like water, food, clothing, housing in my opinion, not a foreign corporation. This country is going into the gutter and corporations dont care, they just outsource to India or Africa and abandon more americans so they can reap more money. The point of business is NOT to make a profit at all, its all economy, to maintain it, to keep it alive not destroy it. When you have a balanced economy you have money, maybe your not a trillionare but none the less your jobs are stable, the govt. is somewhat stable, and there is more jobs to go around and thus standard of living goes up. There is nothing wrong with making money, its how you make it that matters and thats the problem here. They are willing to make money by wiping out 1/3 of a nations population (vietnam) or over 3000 people so they can make soda pop (chile, pepsi co.) so hence its not alright.



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 02:30 AM
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i would say no.you can include canada also.with the selling of canadian owned companies a very huge problem.do they not see if you dont have ownership of wealth it does not buy you much in the future.take the care out of corporates.if the foundation is not on home soil where is the care in corporate.i find they have lost that and have lost out to world market greed.success never had a good life with greed around......



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 02:50 AM
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Corporations are recognized as 'a man', internationally, by law.

'By law' they must put 'the bottom line' above social responsability.

A 'mental health check' of what 'they' must do to comply with the law that 'created' them as a man, find them to be sociopaths.

The number of the beast is the number of 'A MAN' and 'he' will trample and tear the 'whole world'.

Well it makes me think....



posted on Mar, 18 2006 @ 03:55 AM
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Do corporations care about Americans?

Only if you have a job and an income that they can exploit in order to get wealthier. I have worked for several large corporations, including one of the largest financial giants in the country, and I can tell you this, you are a number. A dollar sign. A potential mark. A high interest rate. One large national mortgage broker (can't name names) would set us as sales people up with week long training programs that were designed and exist for one purpose, to teach you as the employee how to fleece a customer. In the business world everything is weighted against you as the consumer. The deck is stacked my friends. Millions are spent trying to figure out newer, bigger, better, more efficient ways to screw people. In fact it is encouraged. Large companies understand one thing, bottom line, and that is the truth as far as I have seen it. They want you healthy enough to make money to buy their crap and they want you in one way or another dependant on what they provide you so they can hopefully fleece you not once, but repeatedly, like a big wooly sheep. It sucks but the sad fact is that your well being and interest as a consumer isn't even a consideration.


Maybe Im wrong, maybe there are good guy companies still out there, but they are few and far between. If you try and play fair these days, you simply get eaten up by the sharks who don't.



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