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Secret Societies other than the *big* ones?

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Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 12:25 AM
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I was just wondering if anyone was doing any research on any groups that have never been mentioned here?


I'm not sure how much I want to talk about a group I discovered as I don't have any real facts yet. All I have found so far is 2 news stories and one story author might be biased looking at other stuff he wrote.

But so far it looks like something is up.

The founder mentioned a New World Order in 1944.
There are members in the United States Government.
They have influence with the "movers and shakers" in Washington and companies like Raytheon
The have extended their influence to other governments.
Their goal seems to be controlling the worlds governments starting with the U.S.
Their current leader has shown up in most powerfull lists in magazines like Time.
Their hiding behind something that most people would call positive.
They use many names/sub groups to draw attention away from themselves.

Honestly they give me the creeps




posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 12:28 AM
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Please let us know since there have been so many I doubt if anybody has heard of them all.

What I was into about a month ago was studying mystics and the occult revival in the early part of the 20th century. Around the time of Blavatsky in NYC for an example. Interesting stuff and also secret society related too.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 02:24 AM
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Ordo Templi Orientis, I wanna know as much about it as possible, because I can join if I want... but until I know what its all about, I don't want to.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:57 AM
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DrBones666 you might be interested in Francis King’s “The Secret Rituals of the OTO”. (found my copy online) It reveals some secrets from the 1st to 9th degrees. Although I cannot say how accurate it is. – However, I think reading the rituals might ruin your whole experience if you plan on joining. Also, this sites search engine, the OTO has been mentioned numerous times.

Cug, I’m interested in the group you have discovered, are you going to give us more info so that we can start looking into it ourselves? (although your last point, use of many names would make it difficult) Nevertheless, I’d like to give it a shot too.

For example the name of the founder would be a great help. (the one who mentioned the NWO)



EDIT:
hmm it just occured to me that the articles you read might not have mentioned the founder, just that they just refered to a founder, without naming him/her.

Could you link to these 2 articles, or provide more information on those?

[edit on 17/3/06 by ConspiracyNut23]

[edit on 17/3/06 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Cug
I'm not sure how much I want to talk about a group I discovered as I don't have any real facts yet.


If you wish to let the idea brew for a bit longer, I’ll of course patiently wait. But mentioning it on an open forum could be the equivalent of an initial brainstorm.

Of course if all this happens to be real, there would definitely be a “danger” factor.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by DrBones666
Ordo Templi Orientis, I wanna know as much about it as possible, because I can join if I want... but until I know what its all about, I don't want to.


O.T.O. is quite an interesting organization. CN mentioned Francis King's book, which is indeed generally accurate. This book gives the initiation rituals of O.T.O. as revised by Crowley. Since then, they have been revised a few more times, but you can probably get the general idea from reading the book.

I'm a former Associate Member of O.T.O., but not an Initiate Member (I joined for the discount on books). However, some former Initiate Members have privately verified to me the general accuracy of King's book.

The O.T.O. rituals are heavily based on the degree work of an irregular Scottish Rite organization known as the Cerneau Supreme Council, of which Crowley had been a member in England under John Yarker's administration. However, Crowley replaced the Masonic universalism with Thelemic doctrine when he revised the O.T.O. degrees, and disposed of the Hiramic Legend altogether (sort of....see the O.T.O. Third Degree ritual called "Master Magician", which roughly corresponds with the degree of Master Mason in regular Masonry).

Although the O.T.O. is a fraternal organization, unlike regular Masonry, it is also a religious organization, dedicated to the religion of Thelema. It has jurisdiction over the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (Gnostic Catholic Church), and ordains its own legally recognized clergy. If memory serves, II° members of O.T.O. are qualified to become Deacons in the Church, III° members qualify for the priesthood, and VII° members qualify for the episcopal offices. Both the O.T.O. as a fraternity and the clerical positions in the Church are opened to both men and women.


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by DrBones666
Ordo Templi Orientis, I wanna know as much about it as possible, because I can join if I want... but until I know what its all about, I don't want to.


oto-usa.org... should give you all you need to know. But IMHO if you know nothing about Thelema, or have no intention of becoming a Thelemite, joining the O.T.O. is a pretty silly thing to do.

Anyway, no offense but the O.T.O. is discussed quite a bit here and was not one of the groups I'm interested in.



Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
If you wish to let the idea brew for a bit longer, I’ll of course patiently wait. But mentioning it on an open forum could be the equivalent of an initial brainstorm.

Of course if all this happens to be real, there would definitely be a “danger” factor.


I hope you understand but I'd rather wait. Having been on the receiving end of wild claims I'd rather have more facts gathered before I put this out.

Frankly the people involved are well respected (By leaders on both sides of the aisle) and after 2 stories put out in major publications (LA Times, and Harper's magazine) and a recent AP item nobody seems to care. (Maybe it's because they claim to be a Christian org???) I mean one article called it a conspiracy theorists wet dream and there is nothing on ATS about it at all.



Originally posted by Masonic Light
The O.T.O. rituals are heavily based on the degree work of an irregular Scottish Rite organization known as the Cerneau Supreme Council, of which Crowley had been a member in England under John Yarker's administration.


Just to clear it up a bit, the Masonic rituals the O.T.O. used were in place before Crowley even knew about the O.T.O. The O.T.O. sprang from several irregular rites including

Swedenborgian Rite of Freemasonry (From W. Wynn Wescott)
Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis of 97° (From Yarker)
Ancient Oriental Rite of Mizraim of 90° (From Yarker)
Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of 33° Cernau Council of New York, 1807 (From Yarker)

Before Crowley joined, the O.T.O. claimed to make Masons. When Crowley was refused recognition with regular Freemasonry he dropped the claim to make Masons, and started rewriting the initiation ceremonies to remove the masonic stuff.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Cug

Just to clear it up a bit, the Masonic rituals the O.T.O. used were in place before Crowley even knew about the O.T.O. The O.T.O. sprang from several irregular rites including

Swedenborgian Rite of Freemasonry (From W. Wynn Wescott)
Ancient and Primitive Rite of Memphis of 97° (From Yarker)
Ancient Oriental Rite of Mizraim of 90° (From Yarker)
Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of 33° Cernau Council of New York, 1807 (From Yarker)


That's true, but if one compares the pre-Crowley O.T.O. rituals (probably written by Reuss) with Crowley's revisions, it would seem that the revisions are more markedly influenced by Masonry. Especially compare King's book to Jonathon Blanchard's "Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated", which is an expose' on the Cerneau Rite.


Before Crowley joined, the O.T.O. claimed to make Masons. When Crowley was refused recognition with regular Freemasonry he dropped the claim to make Masons, and started rewriting the initiation ceremonies to remove the masonic stuff.


Again I would agree, but only in a qualified sense. Crowley replaced King Solomon with Saladin, and he replaced Hiram with some Arab guy whose name eludes me at the moment, but the general form and outline are the same. Instead of making "Master Masons", the O.T.O. makes "Master Magicians" in its III°, but much of the difference is superficial, having to do with terminology instead of actual ritual form.


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

That's true, but if one compares the pre-Crowley O.T.O. rituals (probably written by Reuss) with Crowley's revisions, it would seem that the revisions are more markedly influenced by Masonry. Especially compare King's book to Jonathon Blanchard's "Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated", which is an expose' on the Cerneau Rite.


I'm gona have to deferr to you here. I read King's book many years ago, and at this point in time I'd rather not re-read the rituals until I have experienced them first hand.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 02:18 PM
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Considering what day it is, how can we neglect the Ancient Order of Hibernians!
www.aoh.com...

As far as other groups, I think that the Trilateralists and CFR and the like don't get enough attention here, though arguably they're not secret societies.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
though arguably they're not secret societies.


Although in conspiracy lore it seems secret societies and think tanks are often mentioned in the same breath. We could argue that the elites use the think tanks in a similar way that they used secret societies in the past. The parallels would be interesting to investigate.

But for now beware…



an obvious fusion of Blavatsky-Dee-Nazi-Satanic ideas, and an Irish charm to boot!



[edit on 17/3/06 by ConspiracyNut23]


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 03:15 PM
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They might not be "secret" but I'd think stealth would be a fitting term. The same goes for the one I'm looking into.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 04:12 PM
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Very creepy indeed.
www.alternet.org...



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 04:20 PM
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very scary, especially the stuff about Hitler. Todays Republican party seems to be heavily influenced by the old Nazi's, especially in terms of deception, propaganda, imagery, loyalty, and militarism.


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by HeirX
Very creepy indeed.
www.alternet.org...


93

Nice to see you hanging around again


And you hit it right on the nose, so I might as well spill the beans.

What follows is just some notes I made.

The Family, AKA The Foundation. AKA many other names

www.harpers.org...

www.insider-magazine.com...

Some recent news about a member Sen Sam Brownback a potential presidential candidate.

www.thenation.com...
www.rollingstone.com...
www.therevealer.org...

Leaders

Abraham Vereide - formed the family in April 1935.
Doug Coe - Current Head of the the Family.
David Coe - Son of Doug Coe, and heir apparent.

In 1944 Vereide had foreseen what he called "the new world order." from a letter to his wife apparently.

Membership

Senators
Sam Nunn (D-GA)
Lincoln Chaffee (R-RI),
Roger Jepsen (R-IA)
Charles Percy (R-IL)
Strom Thurmond (R-SC)
David Durenberger (R-MN)
Jennings Randolph (D-WV)
Paul Trible (R-VA)
Phil Gramm (R-TX)
William Armstrong (R-CO)
Lawton Chiles (D-FL)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Jeremiah Denton (R-AL)
John Stennis (D-MS)
Al Gore, Jr. (D-TN)
Larry Pressler (R-SD)
Charles Grassley (R-IA)
Pete Domenici (R-NM)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Richard Lugar (R-IN)
James Inhofe (R-OK)
Bill Nelson (D-FL)
Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Bill Frist (R-TN)
George Allen (R-VA)
Sam Brownback (R-KS)*
Jim DeMint (R-SC)*
John Ensign (R-NV)*
Tom Coburn (R-OK)*
Don Nickles (R-OK)*

Representatives
J. C. Watts (R-OK)
Robert Dornan (R-CA)
Tony Hall (D-OH).
Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
Frank Wolf (R-VA)
Tom DeLay (R-TX)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Curt Weldon (R-PA)
Jerry Weller (R-IL)
Joseph Pitts (R-PA)
Steve Largent (R-OK)*
Ed Bryant (R-TN)*
John E. Baldacci (D-MA)*
Mike Doyle (R-PA)*
Bart Stupak (D-MI)*
Zach Wamp (R-TN)*

* Past and current residents of the C Street Center


I'll also note that Lyndon LaRouche seems to support this theory. That's a big red flag that it might be very very wrong ;-) (for those that don't know, Lyndon LaRouche is a err.... crackpot is the nicest word I can think of, who has run for president every election for many years)

Searches for Abraham Vereide and Doug Coe lead to many interesting places.

Please jump in and do some research and lets see if this goes anywhere.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Interesting read, Cug. Do you think this group of men are working in league with the Rothschild & Rockefeller dynasty in reducing the world population? Do you think The Foundation is working against the Zionist agenda to purge Islam and make Israel a world power - lead by a Talmudic priesthood?

Cug, it appears we have 5 main sides which were once opposed to each other, yet at certain times went into deals with each other. However, I think these groups today are now all working together in supporting the NWO. Which side do you think "The Foundation", falls into?

1) The Anglo-American or British-American (Rhodes, Carol Quigley, Milner, Bush, Skull and Bones, fundamentalist Christian, racists, pro-white, anti-gay, anti-porn, Imperialists and Nazi’s, anti-Jewish)

2) The leftist-Fabians (Chomsky, pro-gay, open-borders, pro porn, H.G Wells, world government, world court etc)

3) The Zionists (Rothschild, Rockefeller, H. Kissinger, etc, pro Israel, want to destroy Islam and have Sanhedrin-like rule from via Priesthood in Israel, all whites to become Jews)

4) Vatican/Jesuit - NWO from Rome

5) Indo-China imperialists - (G. Khan based rule)

My guess is #1), but honestly if they were to be in any opposition to Rockefeller for example, they would have been merged or went into a deal with the multi-trillionare by now.

Ideas?


[edit on 17-3-2006 by markusjharper]


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by markusjharper
Interesting read, Cug. Do you think this group of men are working in league with the Rothschild & Rockefeller dynasty in reducing the world population? Do you think The Foundation is working against the Zionist agenda to purge Islam and make Israel a world power - lead by a Talmudic priesthood?


Nope. Frankly I think all the "normal" NWO stuff is a red herring. I don't know if it is an organized disinformation campagain, but they sure could use it like that. I mean, take a look at ATS, one of the the largest conspiracy sites and there is nothing about the foundation at all... nothing.

Take a look at who promotes the normal NWO stuff, a large number of them are Conservative Christians... Like the foundation. Is there a connection? I don't really know. I have a hunch that there might be but who knows for sure? I am sure that people are getting played for fools.

Anyway, I'm still not sure if The Foundation is really up to anything yet.. Facts are hard to find on these people.



posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Nope. Frankly I think all the "normal" NWO stuff is a red herring. I don't know if it is an organized disinformation campagain, but they sure could use it like that. I mean, take a look at ATS, one of the largest conspiracy sites and there is nothing about the foundation at all... nothing.


I accept your opinion and yes, there seems to be little info on these creepy folks. But even still, what then of Rothschild’s do we make? The last time I checked, the family's net worth was calculated somewhere between 100-400 trillion, you won’t see it in Forbes magazine. Seems strange that we should be concerned about loony Pat Robertson-like boys clubs, when we all know that it is Rockefeller who puts fluoride in our water to keep us dumb and puts Mercury in the vaccines to try and reduce population and also test witch potions on your children. Codex will be outlawing many OTC products this coming April 10'th (for all you Ephedrine users, hint, hint) and guess who's name pops up again?

Rothschild along with Balfour created Israel and conspired to do it long before Hitler. I know that the oil companies don't need much more oil - there isn’t any oil shortage either so I think 9-11 is just as much World Bank/IMF/MOSSAD, as it is also CIA.

I think the Conspiracy is more Zionist-Jewish, personally. Rothschild's sick little fetish-dream of a Jewish Preisthood ruling over the masses is what this middleeast thing is about. The fanatical Christians are not the one's wanting to resurrect Israel (they may support it) but it was Rothschild and Rockefeller's plan, if anything.

I could be wrong but I cannot look into anything without those 2 names always popping up - I mean think about it?


Cug

posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by markusjharper
I think the Conspiracy is more Zionist-Jewish, personally.


And that is exactly what a group that wants the world to be ruled as a Christian Theocracy would want you to believe. Lets blame it all on those evil Jews.

Did you read www.insider-magazine.com... ?



The roots of the Fellowship go back to the 1930s and a Norwegian immigrant and Methodist minister named Abraham Vereide. According to Fellowship archives maintained at the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College in Illinois, Vereide, who immigrated from Norway in 1905, began an outreach ministry in Seattle in April 1935. But his religious outreach involved nothing more than pushing for an anti-Communist, anti-union, anti-Socialist, and pro-Nazi German political agenda. A loose organization and secrecy were paramount for Vereide. Fellowship archives state that Vereide wanted his movement to "carry out its objective through personal, trusting, informal, unpublicized contact between people."


Then lets blame it on the evil Muslams
Then lets blame it on the evil Masons
And we cant forget the evil occultists like me.


Are you 100% sure your not being played for a fool? Maybe you are just a low level Christian and don't know/understand what the higher ups are doing?


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

- Pastor Martin Niemöller

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posted on Mar, 17 2006 @ 08:53 PM
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And that is exactly what a group that wants the world to be ruled as a Christian Theocracy would want you to believe. Lets blame it all on those evil Jews.

Did you read www.insider-magazine.com...


Money talks Cug. Imagine carving an Israel state in Palestine and forcing bloodshed for 50+ years. Who could have the means to pull off such a feat? Millionares..? Could a couple billionares control all the alterternate media - (not Fox News or CNN), ONLY THE INTERNET, and blame poor Rothschild and Rockefeller for all that is accursed in their name? Who owns the World Bank and IMF and how many Zionists or Masons would you find when we already know that Rothschild is a HUGE ZIONIST and a Mason? How many Christ-loving Chistians will be torturing children - (hang on now I don't mean the church of Rome here)?

Rockefeller claims to be a Baptist (as a cover) but he's not; he's a Talmudist
Rothschild claims to be a Jew but he is not a Jew; he's a Talmudist

It was not until recent times, that all these Conspiracy theories became popular. Hitler was more pro Buddist than Christian anyhow and thus the reason why he later came after Catholics - like in your example by Pastor Martin Niemöller.


Then lets blame it on the evil Muslams
Then lets blame it on the evil Masons
And we cant forget the evil occultists like me.


Are you 100% sure your not being played for a fool? Maybe you are just a low level Christian and don't know/understand what the higher ups are doing?


In this case, knowing who cannot be 100% but I know 100& for sure who it is NOT and that includes Muslims and the Christians. The Masons are ONLY more suspected because of the sheer amount of Jews and that's really unfair. But they also act like they have ZERO accountability on anything - so I mean duh???

And occultists like you and me also? We are not Zionsists are we? Crowley was not sacrificing entire nations to be a happy gay, so like I said money talks and when in doubt, FOLLOW THE LOOT! Real black magic is money and Zionists have more than anyone else. Rothschild was so rich, that the Pope of Rome borrowed from him and EVEN Cecil Rhodes borrowed from him!

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