America today is.....What kind of system?? I'm confused!!, page 1
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Topic started on 9-10-2003 @ 11:07 AM by mOjOm
Recently while thumbing through "archy's" "isms" & "acy's" I realized that the clearity of what America IS and WAS Supposed to be is a bit clouded.(To put it Nicely)

I put forth evidence to support why I'm confused:

Republic: a state in which the people are represented by elected agents and the head of state is an elected official.

Constitutional: a government subject to the provisions and limitations of a written and enforced constitution.

Democracy: a government with supreme power vested in the people and exercised by them (direct democracy through such things as referendums) or their elected agents (indirect democracy).

Aristocracy: a state ruled by a privileged class (determined by wealth or birth). Based on belief that the elite know better than the common person how to rule.

Bureaucracy: any form of government with power concentrated in administrative bureaus, often equated with formalism, red tape, and overorganization.

Despotism: government by a ruler who uses unlimited absolute authority to achieve his goals. (Bush certainly gave it a try IMO.)

Dictatorship: any form of government in which one person or group has absolute power without effective constitutional limitations.(Not quite but not as Unfamiliar I would like it to be!)

Fascism: a totalitarian political system with the goals of the nation more important than individual goals.(YIKES!!)

Federal Union: a country with a strong central government (i.e. federal Government) and individual provinces with limited, clearly defined powers.(If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...It is certainly "Duckish" to some degree.)

Imperialism: the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.(Also "Duckish" when comparing our "Conquering"...I mean "Liberation" of Iraq.)

Legislative union: a country having one central government with all the power to make laws for the entire country.(I'd say 90-10 split in favor of "Federal" over "State" but maybe someone has better numbers.)

Plutocracy: a government in which the wealthy class rules.(Quack, Quack, Quack!)

Totalitarianism: centralized government with absolute control by one political party and/or the military.(No comment for fear I will be shot or imprisoned.)

No wonder this Country is so messed up!! We fit too many catagories to know what the hell is going on. Not many directions going in the Original "Of the People, By the People, For the People" direction either?!?!?


reply posted on 9-10-2003 @ 12:13 PM by Lucifer
The system is a produced and co-created paradigm of
humanity and its achievements which exists as a by-product
of our summation as per empirically stored and cumulative
modus operandi for continuum as a species.

In essence it only exists in our minds as we have seen it to
be through interpretation and collective common goals as a
majority. The 'truths or axioms' that we decide are relevant
or profitable (I'm sure it was once pursuit of understanding
and awareness that began it as motivator) and are in and of
themselves apparent universals, consolidate their factual as
ascribed-absolution.

Nature has a funny system of its own yet its perfection and
dynamic complexity: balance of chaos and order indivisible. It
in its own regard is far superior as by design and execution of
design than anything humana has done in its 'artificial dominion'
of comfort over condition.

It may be that once we began to understand self-preservation by larger numbers and cooperation through communication that self-awareness led us to more intricate interpersonal communication and existence. While we have spent aeons trying to once and for all asnswer why we are here, we have lost
sight of that goal. Profit, self-indugent hedonism and pleasure
at any cost have twisted the aim of the whole which creates the
individual-you are a product of a system yes. So, I personally
write in regards to the 'System,' as the illusion of control by
illusion of existence. Popular opinion or majority rules as far as
that goes. You may say no, the gov't sucks, we don't have a
say....etc. But consider this:

Until people actually know themselves as existential beings
that are guided by causality as subjects to its domain, people
will still allow others to shape, control, decide, persuede and
dictate their own state of being whether you let an oaf at some
party haunt your angry place for a week as you allow energy and
effort to it while trying to understand that which itself does not.
Anyone who acts in any way that they themselves do not approve
or appreciate unto themselves-deserve whatever they get. It
is only the righteous being that can by rights choose to dictate
this from that. It is for the average person by and large all of us
as far from perfect to ignore the fear and pressure by others to
shape us when they are no testament to absolution or perfection.

There is only you in your mind. Everyone else is you as you would
be in exchange of place by perception. The only truths are those
that apply to you. The only requirement to existence as far as I
and others I know, to being, is to have a good time and don't hurt
anybody. To start theological protest or argue this point is to offer that God doesn't want us to behave and enjoy being. Wanna be
a contestant? I don't know much, but I don't think anyone who
worries about satellite factors of our world and bares the world
in fear and subjegation or duress ought to ignore the rules as
ordained by human standards or need to wound-share, and get
on with being who they want. This does not lead to decay but
to salvation. To create my life by my hand while not allowing any other to impede my growth by allowing my own negative reactions
to them overshadow my need for equality or my need to maintain
mastery of self, is my lifeplan. Why cannot another see it? If I
know I am not offering these words to improve myself in the eyes
of others as prideful or arrogant assertions, then why will some
undoubtedly not read all of this before making inevitable excuses
for their own KNOWN behavioral truths to one who chooses awareness as seeing another's actions as an invitation to see
a part of them in their logic while not losing them in blindness to
my own emotional reaction or desire to react as is compulsive and
obvious of the human condition by and large?

There is what you believe there to be. There is only that which
you believe to affect you that you operate as such. There is only
a system, government, hierarchy, class, war, economic stability,
and the like if you allow these non-realities or imagined rules to
apply. They are conceptual, not actual. The gov't is not one mind
of single concious control and initiative. Ironically, it is generally
the individuals who are capable by design (good, law-abiding,
common sense and just decent people), who suffer unto the system most by allowing its assured reality the most by civil understanding.

The naive are the victims in a world now based on survival of the
smartest not the fittest now. I don't care if I digress, I just offer
what I was inspired to write as one who knows where they stand
and likes it. I am and so, I apply the golden rule, avoid sins and
appreciate every moment I get to be, in existence. I am of the
school of thought that sees ideological precepts, dogmas and
other institutions of complex design models as merely philosophical formulas to give reason and motive for justification
by those that be in power so they can keep their power.

Most of us probably agree that (I assess that people who go to
debate or intellectually motivated websites are not the feral underbelly of society's evils) we don't need anyone watching over
us the general public. If people act as they like to be treated, there usually isn't a negative occurance. Food for thought, I
suppose.


reply posted on 9-10-2003 @ 07:57 PM by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Technocracy is a relatively new term, because the emergence of technology is relatively new.

Fredrick Taylor was pretty much the start of the movement in the early 20th century, according to Encylopedia Britannica.

The offical definition is rule by technicians and experts in the scientific realms, a society that is ruled by science, technology, eggheads, ect. Theres alot more to it than that.

An example of Technocracy at its rising and birth would be in Europe. Technocracy and Buerocracy go hand in hand. Punch it in any search engine and youll get a million sites explaining in depth and further technocracy and all its aspects. I would post them, but my computer is too slow for search engines.

Anyway, yes its offical, tho it hasnt been offically implimented, you might say that yes, technocracy is alive and well in the US. The use of technology and experts as almost a ruling force in anything from medicine to biochemistry and such is evident. The most ecident is of course, the use of computers and electronic surveilance and privacy killers to invade our daily lives.

And also, add Theocracy to your list. Theocracy, technically, is the rule of a state by a church or religion. While we have no state church, we are heavily ruled by right wing christian nuts who try imposing thier religious ideals as a guiding force for thier law making, and such, so while we arent theocratic in offical terms, we do have that aspect of religoius superstition ruling and corrupting the system.
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