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A Cure for all Disease

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posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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Surprisingly enough, the title, when googled provides over 47 million results. A hot topic indeed, and an extremely controversial issue.

Could it be done?

What i want to ask you, is to stop for a second. Really stop and think.

"How can i completely destroy/remove a bacteria/virus parasite from a body?

I want your ideas, inspirations, dreams. Spitball with me for a moment. I dont care how wild, absurd, or "science-fictiony" they sound. Whether its a device, or an engineered parasite, just post, and we'll discuss.




posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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A swarm of trillions of Nanobots within a mesh network detecting and neutralizing all with extreme force, the whole network will adapt when it fails etc.



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 06:32 PM
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A Cure for all Disease

I have the book called "The Cure for all Disease", inside it is plans for building a "zapper". I've built them, quite a few of them. I believe they work.
I'll post the plans if anyone wants them. Good health should be free....



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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Sardion2000's reply was basically how I would resolve the issue, and that won't be a dream for long. I believe science is already working on something like that.



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 07:23 PM
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I remember sitting in bars in Juarez and guys would come around with hand cranked generators and + & - leads that you held in your hand as the guy cranked, for mild, or not so mild DC flowing thru your arms. Supposedly this was to cure all sorts of ailments.

Beer guy, does this sound like the "zapper?"

I always hated the feeling no matter how hammered I was.



posted on Mar, 15 2006 @ 07:59 PM
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Whaaa, there are a few different versions of the zapper, one of them called the Godzilla uses DC current, it would have a "+" and "_" connection.
If it was one of those old telephone generators, those things freakin hurt!



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:16 AM
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These questions all lead to common and very generic superfluous ideas. Everybody is going to state some unpractical idea/scheme that amounts to more far outrageous idea and so one, hence superfluous.
You shouldn't just ask for 'science-fiction' ideas. Everyone could do this.


I'll be generic but yet rather applicable. The only way to go about this is through research in the fields of biology, computer science, physics, chemistry, geology, botany, biochemistry, etc and math.

Ok, so the problem with stating 'just send in the nanos' is that we just do not yet have the information to apply such a technique. First of all, what is meant by nanobot? What are they? How do they work, how do they destroy any of these diesease? Chances are if you had nanobots of such description and placed trillions of them in the human body, could they scatter, regroup in the and cause bodily harm, maybe a heart attack, who knows? There are a plethora of questions and decades of research which need to be addressed.

Applying electricity doesn't seem anybetter. How on earth does the chaotic travel of electricity through your body distributed from a machine of sceptical origins and qualification help?

I am not saying any of these ideas will not work, just the science for the most part appears abscence, to at least destroy all disease.

Now, the other day I did happen to read part of a 1933 entry to Science that discussed the medical practice of the 'ancients'. Some of these tactics caught me as bizzare and down right primitive! Such as lashing a mosquito-gas laced whip across a(n) (infected) person's back and then have them drink their blood (laced with the gas).

'WHy apply medicine to a diseased section of the body?' This was one of the interesting questions the author answered. Most ancient methods of healing never dealt with applying techniques directly to the inffected/wounded area. Most medical practices involved ingestion of some sort of substance such as venom, dung, plant, semen and especially blood.

I'll get back to reading the rest, just though I should make a first page impression.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:45 AM
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we just have to get to level 39 in biology sciences, that's when smart drugs come into polay in master of orion 3



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:51 AM
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Sardion was correct. Nanobots could either be permantely introduced into your body, or could be injected into your body when necessary. This technology is surprisingly close, and will result in a virtual end to ALL diseases and illnesses, including AIDS and Cancers. Of course this will result in less deaths and people living longer lives, thus causing over-population.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 01:45 AM
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Applying electricity doesn't seem anybetter. How on earth does the chaotic travel of electricity through your body distributed from a machine of sceptical origins and qualification help?

Frosty, this hasn't been proven by science and probably never will be because there is no profit if the patient heals themselves.
But, it has been proven to work by ordinary people like you and me....
In yahoo! Groups, go check out the "microelectricity germkiller" group for starters. There are many more.
Just because you don't understand doesn't mean it doesn't work.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by DarkHelmet
This technology is surprisingly close, and will result in a virtual end to ALL diseases and illnesses, including AIDS and Cancers. Of course this will result in less deaths and people living longer lives, thus causing over-population.

I would be very surprised to hear that such technology is "close". How close do you think? Also how do these nano-bots stop you getting older?

I would also be interested as to how some miniture robots will kill off HIV in someone? This is a very simplistic view of medicine.

Our immune systems are 1000s of times more complex than any current technology, yet viruses and bacteria still kill us. They adapt, and will adapt to future treatments as well.

BTW, running electricity through your arms does not cure diseases. If anyone can present any scientific evidence that is does I would be fascintated.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 11:00 AM
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BTW, running electricity through your arms does not cure diseases. If anyone can present any scientific evidence that is does I would be fascintated.

Like I said, it never will be scientifically proven because there is no profit in it.

But I know it works because I use it on myself for earaches, colds, flu, skin infections, zits,,,, you name it. It cuts the recovery time in half and sometimes more.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 11:40 AM
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Like I said, it never will be scientifically proven because there is no profit in it. But I know it works because I use it on myself


That is not a way of knowing. It's a way of believing. And I can only hope that the world's future doctors don't share your view of science.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Like I said, it never will be scientifically proven because there is no profit in it.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that all scientific enquiry and research is driven by profit alone? If so, then that is just nonsense. Some of it is of course, but much of it isn't. How about scientists who study evolution or archeology or climate change or astrophysics or animal behaviour or pure maths or scientific philosophy etc etc.... The list could go on - none of these areas of enquiry have any profit in it. Most scientists are badly paid and do it because it interests them.

You also forget that much of the world does not have a profit driven medical system like you do in the states. The UK National Health Service is totally funded by the government and is desperate to reduce costs. Any scientist or Dr who could show that running electricity through someone could cure all these diseases would be a national hero and would most likely win the Nobel prize and become very wealthy. Your horribly cynical viewpoint forgets that many people go into medicine and science to help other people. If they wanted to just make money they could have become bankers.



But I know it works because I use it on myself for earaches, colds, flu, skin infections, zits,,,, you name it. It cuts the recovery time in half and sometimes more.

How can you possibly know how long a particular ailment would have taken to clear up without it? All those conditions have extremely variable recovery rates anyway.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 12:24 PM
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How close do I think? About 10-15 years or so... but in my perspective, that's pretty close. The reason why nanobots would be able to destroy stuff such as HIV, is because they could single out these cells and such and destroy them without causing any bodily damage. I couldn't find the exact articles from which I got my information, but here's something I found that may explain some things better:




Overview: Molecular nanotechnology (MNT) will impact the practice of medicine in many ways. Medicine is highly complex, so it will take some time for the full benefits to be achieved, but many benefits will occur almost immediately. The tools of medicine will become cheaper and more powerful. Research and diagnosis will be far more efficient, allowing rapid response to new diseases, including engineered diseases. Small, cheap, numerous sensors, computers, and other implantable devices may allow continuous health monitoring and semi-automated treatment. Several new kinds of treatment will become possible. As the practice of medicine becomes cheaper and less uncertain, it can become available to more people.


Surgical and diagnostic tools will be elegant and cheap.

Medicine, especially medical research, demands cutting-edge, high-tech tools. These are naturally expensive to manufacture, especially if they must be kept sterile. With an MNT manufacturing system, the cost of manufacture is unrelated to the complexity of the product. Design and testing will still be costly, but once designed, the tool can be manufactured in quantity. The incredibly small component size will allow new kinds of tools: for example, a complete surgical robot can be built smaller than a hypodermic needle, and a chemical sensor can be small enough to fit inside a living cell. Because the human body is so complex, accurate knowledge of its state requires gathering large amounts of data. The small size and low cost of MNT sensors will allow hundreds or thousands of them to be used for routine diagnosis, whereas today only a few data points can be gathered. Integrated sampling and analysis tools will allow real-time monitoring; there will be no need for a separate "lab" to run the tests.

Research and diagnosis will become more efficient.


Medical research has traditionally been a process of trial and error. Make a change, then wait a few hours or days to see its effect on the overall state of health. This required an extremely conservative approach, as medical techniques had to evolve one step at a time. With real-time monitoring of the body's systems, it will be possible to detect undesired effects far earlier, allowing a more aggressive and experimental approach to treatment. Researchers will be able to gather far more data and process it with computers millions of times more powerful. The result will be a detailed model of the body's systems and processes, and the ability to predict the effects of any disease or treatment. Diagnosis will also be far easier and more informative. It will be possible to build thousands of diagnostic tests, including invasive tests and imaging tests, into a single, cheap, hand-held device. A variety of single-molecule detection technologies will be available even with early MNT. Trustworthy diagnosis will make medicine far more efficient, and also reduce the risk of malpractice (and thus liability insurance).

Small medical devices can be implanted permanently.

Today, only a few medical devices are implanted permanently. Surgery is always undesirable, and not much functionality can be packed into a device small enough to wear inside the body. MNT-built devices will be far more efficient and compact. As MNT technologies gain the ability to synthesize chemicals other than diamond, implantable devices will be able to continuously sense and adjust the body's chemical balance, in the bloodstream or in specific tissues. Even before then, implanted sensors will be valuable in acquiring a continuous record of the person's state of health. This will allow more sensitive adjustment of the body's state, and earlier detection of problems.

More medical problems will be prevented.


Many medical problems are preventable. Some are acquired from the environment, including poisoning, some cancers, and almost all infectious disease. Widespread monitoring of health and the environment will allow detection of the source of such problems before they can injure people. Improved infrastructure such as water filtration will also help to reduce environmentally-acquired disease. Other diseases are related to lifestyle. Current lifestyle advice is difficult to follow and is not always accurate. Better research will greatly improve our understanding of cause and effect, allowing us to live more healthy lifestyles with far less effort. Finally, some problems accumulate over time, and early detection and treatment can correct the problem before it turns into a full-blown disease.

New diseases will be stopped quickly.


New diseases continue to be a threat to the human race. Naturally occurring diseases could be far worse than SARS, and an engineered disease could conceivably wipe out most of the human race. It will be increasingly important to have a technology base that can detect new diseases even before symptoms appear, and create a cure in a matter of days. MNT will enable such a rapid response. With complete genomes and proteomes for humans and for all known pathogens, plus cheap, highly parallel DNA and protein analysis and sufficient computer resources, it will be possible to spot any new pathogen almost immediately. (There is already a project under way to sequence the DNA of every organism in the Sargasso Sea.) Curing a new infectious disease will require some method of detecting and stopping the pathogen. Robert Freitas has described over a dozen nanotechnologic ways to disable or destroy pathogens.

Diagnosis and treatment may be semi-automated.


The practice of medicine today involves a lot of uncertainty. Doctors must guess what condition a patient has, and further guess how best to treat it without upsetting the rest of the body's systems. By contrast, when pathogens and chemical imbalances can be directly detected, many conditions will be treatable with no uncertainty, allowing the use of computer-selected treatment in common cases. This may further reduce the cost of medical care, although doctors, regulatory agencies, or the patients themselves may resist the practice initially.

Health will improve and lifespans increase.


Health improvement and life extension do not depend on MNT, but MNT will certainly make them accessible to more people. Any treatment that can be automated can be applied to any number of people at low cost. Efficient research will speed the development of cures for complex problems such as cancer and aging. New therapeutic techniques will allow the treatment of more types of diseases.

MNT will facilitate genetic therapy.


Genetic therapy holds great promise for treating several serious health problems. However, the current state of the art can also cause problems, including cancer. Eventually, we may hope that MNT will be able to directly edit the DNA of living cells in the body. But even without that level of sophistication, massively parallel scanning may enable the sorting of cells modified outside the body. The ability to inject only non-cancerous cells would make some kinds of genetic therapy much safer. Microsurgical techniques could allow the implantation of modified cells directly into the target tissues.

Some organs will be replaceable.


Many organs in the body perform fairly simple functions. Already, sophisticated machinery can replace lung function for hours, heart function for months, and kidney function for years. Since MNT can build machines smaller than cells, many other organs will be candidates for replacement or augmentation, including skin, muscles, various digestive organs, and some sensory functions.

Systems can be individually improved.


The body is made of a large number of interacting systems. The blood circulates chemicals all through the body, making each system interdependent with the others. Small, implanted devices will allow the systems to be decoupled and controlled independently to some degree. For example, it may be desirable for the brain to receive more, or less, adrenaline than the muscles. This capability of "heterostasis" may be useful in cases of trauma and disease, or for long-term health maintenance.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by FatherLukeDuke
I would be very surprised to hear that such technology is "close". How close do you think? Also how do these nano-bots stop you getting older?

Assuming this technology works as expected and is in our relatively near future(15-30 years), they would quite simply ferry cells to say an epidermal layer, remove the dead cell and replace it with a healthy one. With Trillions of the buggers in our system, it would be rather "simple" to repair cellular entropy faster then the entropy itself. I'm not sure if we'll go with a Micro-mite version or a nanite version, we'll just have to wait and see which is better.


I would also be interested as to how some miniture robots will kill off HIV in someone? This is a very simplistic view of medicine.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one. With a nanobot, which has dimensions 1000 times smaller then a dust grain, would be able to face virii and bacteria nearly head to head. Actually we would have an advantage in this case as we would be able to attack the virii at the molecular level, something we can only dream about now. Discover an Aids virus within a system? Take it apart covalent bond by covalent bond. I'd like to see any virus adapt to that attack.


Our immune systems are 1000s of times more complex than any current technology, yet viruses and bacteria still kill us. They adapt, and will adapt to future treatments as well.

See above response. How in the hell can they adapt to something which can theoretically (1) Adapt faster and (2) Attack at the Covalent bonds themselves. As for how this can be achieved, I have no clue atm, though I cannot see any reason why it shouldn't work.


BTW, running electricity through your arms does not cure diseases. If anyone can present any scientific evidence that is does I would be fascintated.

Whatever effect it's havin' it's probably placebo. *shrug*



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 03:05 PM
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This man should be in charge of world health. Prevention is better than cure, and he states in his book "The Nutrition Bible" that if everyone ate the correct diet many health problems would be averted.

This would free up more money to fund finding the cures.

Would you trust someone to fill you full of nanobots?



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 03:09 PM
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I am going to state my opinion like this: there is no way that within 100 years any of these 'nanobots' will do what some of you are predicting.

Beerguy, where are the published reports on this method which you speak of?



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 03:32 PM
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Any one hear of something called colloidal silver?
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www.quackwatch.org...

So...read up and decide for yourself.



posted on Mar, 16 2006 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Frosty
I am going to state my opinion like this: there is no way that within 100 years any of these 'nanobots' will do what some of you are predicting.


At the rate that Technology is presently moving, that's a bold statement. 100 years sure is a long time.


www.abc.net.au...

Growing bones and battling disease
One of the areas of biggest investment is in the treatment and diagnosis of disease: anti HIV creams, bone and tissue replacements, and early warning systems for cancer.

Recently scientists in Singapore announced that cancer killing injectable chips based on nanotechnology had been trialled at Singapore Hospital. The Perth-based company pSivida, which developed the chips, says five out of eight liver cancer patients saw their tumours shrink by up to 60%.

Professor Matt Trau, from the Centre for Nanotechnology and Biomaterials at the University of Queensland, is head of a team of scientists working on new nanoscale materials for regrowing bones, and faster, more targeted ways of detecting and treating disease.

"The futuristic way of thinking about this is a little bit like the old film, Fantastic Voyage, where they shrink down a little submarine that floats around through the bloodstream. It blasts bad guys and leaves alone good guys," said Trau.

Nanoscaled materials and devices could also be used for diagnostics, said Trau. For example you could put DNA strands on the surface of nanoparticles to read certain information, and discover some of the things that the cell is doing at a particular time.



Though I can see many down-sides to relying on nanobots to battle disease (instead of our natural immune system), there are a lot of positive sides to it as well.




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