I would say that the recent revelations in AWST regarding the Blackstar program would preclude the Aurora existing.

Its possible that the Aurora was either outright givernment disinformation, or at the very least encouraged on by them. The Blackstar makes much more sence to me at least and fits the known pattern of sightings.

Im curious. did the expert explain how he surmised that the contrail was generated by an a/c moving at 8000 mph? local condition could not be the same and variations of high altitude winds and the like are unlikely to sustain a contrail that long.

My other question is this: At what altitude are contrails not produced?

Cool. The reason I asked is the following: Im a avid fan of the SR-71/A-12 and can't remeber if they left contrails at operational altitudes.

The Aurora running at 8000 mph would have to be at a very high altitude and could it generate a contrail at 100000 feet? The photos of the donuts on a rope and others seems to have been at much lower altitudes

From what I remember there's a pretty limited altitude range where contrails can be formed. Too high and there's not enough moisture left in the air. Too low and it's not cold enough to create one, so you're looking at a pretty limited altitude window to form them.

This Blackstar Program sounds a lot like the stories of Aurora. I think they might be the same thing. Maybe Blackstar was the code name and Aurora was an unofficial nickname. We might have finally found one.

Tim

I too saw this show last night, and I was wondering "Hmm, maybe I should post that new info picture on ATS". You beat me to it.

I was gonna wait to later to do it. But I do find it strange that this new information has just surfaced now, where has it been hiding?

SHattered OUT...

This Aurora is the height of all subjects on this discussion board, It is only revealed to a small extent at the minuate but when will it be fully exposed to the public?

Originally posted by FredT
Im curious. did the expert explain how he surmised that the contrail was generated by an a/c moving at 8000 mph? local condition could not be the same and variations of high altitude winds and the like are unlikely to sustain a contrail that long.

My other question is this: At what altitude are contrails not produced?

Fred,

How long was the contrail there? If you have an a/c moving at 8'000 mph, it could lay down a contrail over 100 miles long in about 2 min (maybe less) It is theoretically possible that the plane that made it could have been there only a matter of minutes before.

How high can a contrail be produced? Theoretically, at any altitude where there is some atmosphere. Most contrails are produced when water vapor in the jet exhaust itseft freezes in the cold air around the jet. All exaust has water vapor in it. The two byproducts of combustion are CO2 and H2O(Water (High School Chemistry)).

Hope that helps!

Tim

I heard when they were testing an Areospike engine on an SR-71 that they had to shut it down because it pushed the airframe beyond the maximum stress limits.

What, faster than mach 14?

(in joke, see earlier threads)

Nice link shadowxix. However I do not understand why the article denies the existence of Area 51.

I watched that progrm this afternoon as well. Very interesting indeed.

It should be mentioned that the host was none other then Nick Cook, of Janes Defense fame. He's not someone to be taken too lightly in my opinion.

The contrail begn at Area 51, and headed into Russia and China from what I remember.

Ah good to see that other people caught this newest airing of the show

Thanks for pointing out his name AMM I knew he was some Defense Industry guy but couldnt remember his name for this post.

I still cant find the picture as shown on the show anywhere

Originally posted by American Mad Man

It should be mentioned that the host was none other then Nick Cook, of Janes Defense fame. He's not someone to be taken too lightly in my opinion.

For me, Nick Cook lost all credibility in the first few pages of his book "The Hunt For Zero Point."

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Hi - the Nick Cook satellite image showed the contrail going from Nevada across the US and into the Atlantic.- NOT into Russia or China. timread

This craft must have one hell of a fuel tank to fly at 8000 mph from A51 all the way to China heading East.

It would be nothing more than a super sonic flying gas can....or arrow/triangle for that matter.

Obviously this thing is using something else besides scramjet fuel or rockets.



Cheers!!!!