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The foxes are in the hen-house: Freemasons on a conspiracy site.

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posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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The more I read what Pirate is saying, the more I like the guy!


But I don't think he should have blocked Masonic Light, even though you guys disagree, thats pretty much the point of being here, a Discussion/Debate forum, and isn't the basis of true and free debate, a disagreement by its very nature?

BTW Pirate, you have accomplished your goal, I am questioning whether or not I would want to join anymore...




posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:02 PM
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by edelweiss pirate-Is this a conspiracy site or a lodge? It can't be both. The two are mutually exclusive..

What I find offensive is when I am smeared and discredited for telling the truth.

Truth is my standard.


Truth-conformity to fact/evidence.(not hearsay or opinion)
Just my 2cents,and im about as far from being a mason as you can get.
Lively discussion though.

[edit on 14/3/06 by mojo4sale]



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


It's a conspiracy site isn't it?

Aren't the freemasons the key players in the conspiracy?

The consensus on these things agrees so...

So why do they swarm upon anyone who wants to tell a few uncomfortable truths? Is it their home turf or the conspiracy researchers?

You use the word 'paranoid' to paraphrase a movie I would say:

'be paranoid, be very paranoid...'

or

I'm not paranoid, I just know they're out to get me..


We (Freemasons) don't swarm upon anyone who wants to tell a "few truths". We are only pointing out the fact that everything you claim to know and say about us and our fraternity is complete BS, and you know it.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Springer
As for the fox in the henhouse, my Partners and I are the ONLY "Foxes" around here.


Springer...


Yeah baby:




Smooth!




posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Why then on the web's largest CONSPIRACY site do we have representatives of those who are actually perpetuating the conspiracy?

How will it ever be possible to seriously discuss the reality of the evil masonic stranglehold over the world when these people are HERE, debunking those trying to expose them?

I for one do not abuse freemasons on their own websites so why are they allowed to come here, to a, I'll say the word again, a CONSPIRACY site, and do this to us?

To ensure their secrets are not revealed.
They are not here to reveal secrets to us. They are here to lead us astray, and if possible (which had almost been accomplished) to INFILTRATE the site.


ATS Members who are Freemasons, Scottish & York Rite, and Shriners... Here? Next thing you know taxpayers, Democrats, Republicans, Christians Jews, Muslims and vegetarians will be let in. I hear that the literates of the world have full intention of joining and... OMG... Writing.

I won't stand for it... and neither should anyone else.

The thought that someone with Masonic ties could be a member... Next thing you know, they'll be on the ATS Council, or heaven forbid... Staff.

Sarcasm Monkeys, not just for the irony of it all anymore...



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:31 PM
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Whilst I've seen the odd occasion of an ATS Mason losing his temper after being accused of all kinds of atrocities, most of the time I would say that guys like Masonic Light are simply trying to educate people as to the reality of what actually goes on.

It's a case of "pearls before swine" some of the time, but I have faith that SOME people are able to separate truth from fiction.

Edelweiss, if you could present ANYTHING at all to back up your fanciful slander, I think we could have some great discussion, but I'm afraid you lost me also when you mentioned your royal blood, incredible supernatural powers, and prior demonic possession.

[edit on 14-3-2006 by Roark]



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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Okay so masons are likely involved with ATS, that is not a crime in itself if true but they could use their clout to difuse any criticism against them too. Who would prevent that?

What I find most interesting about freemasonry is the following:

- Junior members primarily defending it
- Masons saying that non-masons don't know what they are talking about but still cannot tell us why freemasonry is so secret?
- Masonry is a private club with primary emphasis of bettering masons but yet there could never be any conspiracy in that idea
- Masons count amongst their membership many of the worlds most powerful and influential people but apparently masonry has no undue influence on the world according to masons themselves.
- Masonry according to masons has done nothing wrong in its long history which seems incomprehensible when one considers the odds against this actually being fact

myself, I think that on a site like this freemasons would be part of the discussion and it is good that they are here so they can be questioned directly but it is suspicious when they dominate because that would mean that discussion of conspiracy is less important than the interests of freemasons.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
- Masons count amongst their membership many of the worlds most powerful and influential people but apparently masonry has no undue influence on the world according to masons themselves.


I have to ask.

They do? Who are they? I would like to know who these powerful and influential Freemasons are.

It should be an easy list to compile.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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To be honest, I don't believe any of the so called Masons that post here actually are Masons, and they just claim it to feel ominous and important to the people who actually care about this cowardly cult. Could you so called Masons on this site even prove your connections? I bet none of yall could actually pinpoint my exact address or even what store I work in. If you do I offer you to send someone here to fight me. That would be all the proof I need. I don't even need or want you to reply. Just send any single person to find me at my home or work to fight me. If you guys are truly Masons you would have the connections to make this happen.

So fire away !!



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
To be honest, I don't believe any of the so called Masons that post here actually are Masons, and they just claim it to feel ominous and important to the people who actually care about this cowardly cult. Could you so called Masons on this site even prove your connections? I bet none of yall could actually pinpoint my exact address or even what store I work in. If you do I offer you to send someone here to fight me. That would be all the proof I need. I don't even need or want you to reply. Just send any single person to find me at my home or work to fight me. If you guys are truly Masons you would have the connections to make this happen.

So fire away !!


Firing away. Could you have posted a more inflamitory post? I'm NOT a Mason but I take EXTREME exception to your post. I'm really hoping that it was sarcasm, if not I would take you up on this personally.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
- Masons count amongst their membership many of the worlds most powerful and influential people but apparently masonry has no undue influence on the world according to masons themselves.


I have to ask.

They do? Who are they? I would like to know who these powerful and influential Freemasons are.

It should be an easy list to compile.



Heres a list, to be honest dont know how reliable this source is , though it does say that most of the names mentioned were/are proud to be masons.

I dont have an opinion either way but you did ask.

www.masonicinfo.com...

www.masonicinfo.com...

Lots of dead ones but quite a few still alive and kicking, and yes you would have to say some with influence,money and power.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 07:02 PM
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Yea intrepid I was directing this to the people who claim they are actually masons. But if you believe you have the connections to track me down than be my guest and come right after me



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by DYepes
Yea intrepid I was directing this to the people who claim they are actually masons. But if you believe you have the connections to track me down than be my guest and come right after me


My only concern here is ATS, that's my job and passion. I can't believe that this thread had degenerated to the point where we are discussing fisticuffs. I got sucked in as well. Apologies to to you. I see no point of this continueing, it'll only get worse.

Closed.



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