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The foxes are in the hen-house: Freemasons on a conspiracy site.

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posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
But, since you're an Agent 007 from a royal bloodline who was once demonically possessed by Masons, Elks, Moose and Oddfellows, and we're not, I guess we'll have to take your word for it.

This is the reason for your warning.

This forum, Secret Societies, is a place to discuss conspiracy theories related to secret societies over the years. It's not a gathering place for brothers (didn't we cover this once before?).

If anyone is unable to collaborate on that type of discussion in this forum in a productive manner, their account status will be taken under consideration.




posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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Wood -

I don't presume to speak for EP, but I think by "SS guard" he is referring to "Secret Societies guards" like I joked about in my above post, or at least I hope he is referring to it.


EP -

I have worked alongside a few masons in my last job. I never noticed sunken eyes, heard them remark about hearing voices or anything similar to what you mention in those regards. We worked together 12-14 hours per day, 6 days a week for 6 years before I left on disability. I spent more time with my employees than I did with my wife and children.

Could it have been that these few people just never said anything to me about hearing voices? Yes. I would think though that one of them would have said something in the above time frame.

How did I find out that they were masons? I was doing some research on the Internation Order of Odd Fellows (IOOF) hall that is in the town near me and I mentioned it at work, then some of my guys compared that hall to the one across the street for the masons. A couple of guys stepped forward and said that they were masons and corrected some naive assumptions made by a few non-masons.

And no, I would not expect to see guards in a synagogue, nor would I expect to see them in a Mason's hall, nor a Catholic church. I was being facetious (sp?).

More in a bit. I have to go pick up my kiddo.

JDub



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:29 PM
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I dont think masons are intrested in the forum it's self.
Most posts made by them if not all relate to their subject.
I dont think they really contribue to this site, I dont want to hold it against them but I wana prove something.
They are here to defend, they dont care about other matters conspiracy,etc.
Rarerly you see one of them posting on a diferent category.
How can here on ATS be so many masons?
It's simple, they didint come for the conspiracy subjects just hit search and you will all see, they didint find the site by acident, they told one another about it and it all most looks like a plot.
Searching for masons with the search function on the forum will prove my point, about 95% of the posts made by them refers to masonary, very rare the brake the rule and post some where else on a diferent matter.
Every thing they do they do it by plan, this is no coincidence.
They ploted here to come in mass, they told one another.

posts made by masonic light
Example


Thread topic / pages Post Author PostID replies views Last post
ATS Proof that Freemasonry is a Religion 1 2 3 ..11 peopledying 1883813 212 6390 14-12-2005 @ 03:06 PM
peopledying

ATS Who are the Midas? Majestic12 1891801 18 792 19-12-2005 @ 05:26 AM
Majestic12

ATS Freemasonry and the Tarot 1 2 3 ..6 Majestic12 1892208 102 2783 25-12-2005 @ 01:15 PM
Cicada

ATS Everyone knows Freemasons are everywhere you look
Masonic Light 1894466 8 856 21-12-2005 @ 03:11 AM
Nygdan

ATS The Real Freemasonry told by Masons (Dormer) 1 2 peopledying 1894497 20 1127 23-12-2005 @ 05:05 PM
peopledying

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1896132 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1896204 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1896341 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1896722 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site 1 2 3 ..5 TerraX 1896726 84 3034 5-2-2006 @ 04:03 AM
Lexicon

ATS Freemasonry and the Tarot 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1896904 102 2783 25-12-2005 @ 01:15 PM
Cicada

ATS Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site 1 2 3 ..5 Cug 1897030 84 3034 5-2-2006 @ 04:03 AM
Lexicon

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 Nygdan 1897102 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1897158 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Freemasonry and the Tarot 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1898621 102 2783 25-12-2005 @ 01:15 PM
Cicada

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1899097 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1899137 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1899281 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1899394 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS The Real Freemasonry told by Masons (Dormer) 1 2 peopledying 1900083 20 1127 23-12-2005 @ 05:05 PM
peopledying

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1901002 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 piboy 1901112 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site 1 2 3 ..5 suzy ryan 1901624 84 3034 5-2-2006 @ 04:03 AM
Lexicon

ATS Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site 1 2 3 ..5 Mayet 1902466 84 3034 5-2-2006 @ 04:03 AM
Lexicon

ATS Still believe the Pyramid All Seeing Eye isn't a Masonic Emblem? 1 2 Masonic Light 1905937 29 1694 12-1-2006 @ 01:02 PM
Nygdan

ATS Still believe the Pyramid All Seeing Eye isn't a Masonic Emblem? 1 2 Huabamambo 1906035 29 1694 12-1-2006 @ 01:02 PM
Nygdan

ATS Albert Pike: A Man Misunderstood 1 2 3 ..6 Masonic Light 1906067 119 2955 28-12-2005 @ 01:43 AM
Nygdan

ATS Still believe the Pyramid All Seeing Eye isn't a Masonic Emblem? 1 2 Nygdan 1906177 29 1694 12-1-2006 @ 01:02 PM
Nygdan

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Snake Plissken 1906759 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Masonic Light 1907426 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS Freemasons in music Mirthful Me 1907598 5 317 28-12-2005 @ 07:56 AM
lost in the midwest

ATS Freemasons in music saint4God 1907711 5 317 28-12-2005 @ 07:56 AM
lost in the midwest

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Snake Plissken 1908436 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Masonic Light 1909316 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS Twisted Religion? Snake Plissken 1909429 11 355 29-12-2005 @ 10:06 AM
VelvetSplash

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Snake Plissken 1909439 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Snake Plissken 1909451 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS What if the illuminati are not the enemy of mankind 1 2 Snake Plissken 1909537 33 947 31-12-2005 @ 02:32 AM
stmichael

ATS What if the illuminati are not the enemy of mankind 1 2 Snake Plissken 1909556 33 947 31-12-2005 @ 02:32 AM
stmichael

ATS Is masonary connected to the Knights Templer? 1 2 Snake Plissken 1909575 38 1261 19-1-2006 @ 05:37 AM
Chicken on a Stick

ATS Is masonary connected to the Knights Templer? 1 2 Snake Plissken 1909816 38 1261 19-1-2006 @ 05:37 AM
Chicken on a Stick

ATS My personal case against the Brotherhood... 1 2 3 Masonic Light 1909988 55 1901 13-1-2006 @ 10:24 PM
Trinityman

ATS What if the illuminati are not the enemy of mankind 1 2 Masonic Light 1910013 33 947 31-12-2005 @ 02:32 AM
stmichael

ATS Is masonary connected to the Knights Templer? 1 2 BlackGuardXIII 1913287 38 1261 19-1-2006 @ 05:37 AM
Chicken on a Stick

ATS Is masonary connected to the Knights Templer? 1 2 Masonic Light 1919302 38 1261 19-1-2006 @ 05:37 AM
Chicken on a Stick

ATS Nickname for the blindfold 1 2 Burnt Offering 1923891 21 746 6-1-2006 @ 10:34 PM
Trinityman

ATS Nickname for the blindfold 1 2 Masonic Light 1923918 21 746 6-1-2006 @ 10:34 PM
Trinityman

ATS Untitled black book? lost in the midwest 1926298 12 842 8-1-2006 @ 03:38 AM
Nygdan

ATS Untitled black book? Masonic Light 1926989 12 842 8-1-2006 @ 03:38 AM
Nygdan

ATS What would you do ? 1 2 Submersible 1930655 23 840 6-2-2006 @ 05:41 AM
Submersible

ATS Illuminati/Rothschild Connection??? 1 2 Masonic Light 1937186 31 2182 12-1-2006 @ 02:57 AM
Judgeofdarkness

ATS Illuminati/Rothschild Connection??? 1 2 Echtelion 1937278 31 2182 12-1-2006 @ 02:57 AM
Judgeofdarkness

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama 1949916 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS Tattoo DragonsDemesne 1953119 8 314 18-1-2006 @ 01:54 PM
DragonsDemesne

ATS Australian Freemasons win lawsuit against 'whistleblowers' site 1 2 3 ..5 Masonic Light 1953993 84 3034 5-2-2006 @ 04:03 AM
Lexicon

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama 1954469 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS Masonry and Acceptance of All Religions Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama 1954632 3 172 19-1-2006 @ 04:33 PM
kinglizard

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 BradKellBrrexkl 1954940 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Masonic Light 1955044 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Roark 1955262 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS Paul McCartney & The New World Order? 1 2 RiotComing 1956247 24 972 19-1-2006 @ 11:52 PM
Figjam

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Masonic Light 1957531 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 YIAWETA 1956873 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Masonic Light 1956913 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Eyeofhorus 1956927 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Masonic Light 1956971 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Eyeofhorus 1957032 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Nakash 1957040 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS The "evil" oaths of the 33rd degree 1 2 3 ..5 Cug 1957687 86 2985 22-1-2006 @ 11:17 AM
Roark

ATS Why do some people feel the need to post outright lies about Masons and Masonry? 1 2 3 ..40 Taconicus 1965390 795 19048 2-2-2006 @ 01:10 AM
Trinityman

ATS Why do some people feel the need to post outright lies about Masons and Masonry? 1 2 3 ..40 Masonic Light 1966793 795 19048 2-2-2006 @ 01:10 AM
Trinityman

ATS Why do some people feel the need to post outright lies about Masons and Masonry? 1 2 3 ..40 Taconicus 1968416 795 19048 2-2-2006 @ 01:10 AM
Trinityman

ATS All seeing eye? 1 2 Masonic Light 1969507 20 794 27-1-2006 @ 01:39 AM
pepsi78

ATS Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple? 1 2 3 ..8 Masonic Light 1969878 157 5991 14-3-2006 @ 04:42 AM
Masonic Light

ATS Has anyone witnessed a blatant Satanic ritual within a Freemasonry Lodge/Temple? 1 2 3 ..8 Burnt Offering 1969911 157 5991 14-3-2006 @ 04:42 AM
Masonic Light

There is only one topic for him.
You would expect at least a variety of posts that would indicate that this guy is here for the site it's self.
They come here and infiltrate and from time to time they make a lodge out of this site.
Why dont the go some where else if they want to promote masonary, because that's what they are doing.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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It's not awfully hard to work out what I'm saying Spook.

What could be more tactless, insensitive cruel and dubious than having SS Guards in a Synagogue?

I was drawing a parallel. For those who have suffered at the hands of the brotherhood, coming to this site would be just that.

You clearly don't share my experiences (and it would be weird if you did) but understand that I am just expressing what I know about these people.

You didn't meet any weird Masons? Good, you're lucky, I would love to meet a nice Mason but I haven't yet. But then I was travelling in quite unusual circles... I still am... but I can't tell you everything about me now can I?

Jesus I really don't want to sound like someone who's been places and seen things most people have not, but it's looking more and more that this is the case... It's a strange lonely feeling.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:47 PM
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I for one value the input of Masons on this site. They have corrected me and many others on many naïve assumptions I had made. After all how many of us have read Pike’s work? Also I find that they are generally open to all discussion. (Outside of recognition methods)

Pepsi, I think your attack on ML is unwarranted, and loosing ML would be loosing a valuable ATS commodity. (IMHO) I don’t think SO was making a statement about ML, simply pointing out his (admittedly) unnecessary rude comment.

Also the Masons bring a much needed balance to a conspiracy site. Although IMHO some threads have no business on a conspiracy site. My point is Masons know Masonry, and Masonry is a key discussion point for conspiracy theorists, like myself.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:53 PM
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Double post..

I'll tell you a joke instead..

Kids are crazy these days. The police were called just yesterday round our way. One kid was drinking battery acid and the other was eating fireworks.
In the end the one kid was charged and the other let off.



[edit on 14-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]

[edit on 14-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:56 PM
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Also the Masons bring a much needed balance to a conspiracy site. Although IMHO some threads have no business on a conspiracy site. My point is Masons know Masonry, and Masonry is a key discussion point for conspiracy theorists, like myself.



Apparenly not. Masonic Light claims to not know what Illuminism is,
he also claims, to be singularly ignorant about Masonic Secrets.

By what authority then does this man attempt to discredit me? When he seems to know so little.

The Masons are here for two reasons:

Tracking and disinfo.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
I for one value the input of Masons on this site. They have corrected me and many others on many naïve assumptions I had made. After all how many of us have read Pike’s work? Also I find that they are generally open to all discussion. (Outside of recognition methods)

Pepsi, I think your attack on ML is unwarranted, and loosing ML would be loosing a valuable ATS commodity. (IMHO) I don’t think SO was making a statement about ML, simply pointing out his (admittedly) unnecessary rude comment.

Also the Masons bring a much needed balance to a conspiracy site. Although IMHO some threads have no business on a conspiracy site. My point is Masons know Masonry, and Masonry is a key discussion point for conspiracy theorists, like myself.

Like I said I didint want to hold anithing against them on my last quote.
I just wanted to prove a point.
I'm not for kicking all masons from ATS, but I'm against them for coming here and making a lodge out of ATS.
It seems like their goal.
Sure their welcome to debunk what they can, but when you start talking about how grate is to be a mason and how magnificent masonary is I dont think it's fair for the site.


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posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 02:59 PM
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If I had to make a choice between a Mason, and an anti-Mason, I would choose the Mason. Sorry, guy. I'm not a Mason, but I am acquainted with at least two, probably more, and every single one of them are amongst the most decent people I know.

Does that mean I am doomed to whatever Purgatory you've concined the masons to? At least I'll be in good company.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
If I had to make a choice between a Mason, and an anti-Mason, I would choose the Mason. Sorry, guy. I'm not a Mason, but I am acquainted with at least two, probably more, and every single one of them are amongst the most decent people I know.

Does that mean I am doomed to whatever Purgatory you've concined the masons to? At least I'll be in good company.


It depends on you..

Depends how useful you are to them. You may not even have to do anything. You may find it to be more of a slow descent into hell than a quick one... but you'll certainly have to do some things you're not sure about.

When you can no longer live with who you are and what you have done. When you do not understand who has used you and why?

Is this not hell?


Even Rudyard Kippling hated the 'favours'.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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I'm trying to figure out what the point of the original post of this thread was for. Is the member trying to insinuate no Masons should be allowed to post here? If so, that's an extremely offensive suggestion.

It's real easy to fling unfounded accusations at people when you isolate yourself in some little paranoid corner of the world where the people you are lambasting can't stand up for themselves. It takes a little more guts to say what you have to say in front of them and allow them to defend themselves.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall
I'm trying to figure out what the point of the original post of this thread was for. Is the member trying to insinuate no Masons should be allowed to post here? If so, that's an extremely offensive suggestion.

It's real easy to fling unfounded accusations at people when you isolate yourself in some little paranoid corner of the world where the people you are lambasting can't stand up for themselves. It takes a little more guts to say what you have to say in front of them and allow them to defend themselves.



Is this a conspiracy site or a lodge? It can't be both. The two are mutually exclusive..

What I find offensive is when I am smeared and discredited for telling the truth.

Truth is my standard.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:11 PM
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It's a conspiracy site isn't it?

Aren't the freemasons the key players in the conspiracy?

The consensus on these things agrees so...

So why do they swarm upon anyone who wants to tell a few uncomfortable truths? Is it their home turf or the conspiracy researchers?

You use the word 'paranoid' to paraphrase a movie I would say:

'be paranoid, be very paranoid...'

or

I'm not paranoid, I just know they're out to get me..



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Is this a conspiracy site or a lodge?


It’s a conspiracy site where members of Lodges are allowed to express their opinion. Except for a few unnecessary comments, I enjoy reading the exchange between you and the masons. You bring up good points, and so do they.

I don’t want the site to be a carbon copy of freemasonrywatch.com either. – the Masonic balance IS necessary.

I think the Masons should have a “Masonic Lodge” in BelowTopSecret where all kinds of non-conspiratorial Masonic topics could be discussed. (After all they have general Chit-chat in there.) It could accommodate some of the masons. (They could have their “how to join” stuff tagged at the top, a very common question on here) And it would accommodate conspiracy theorists, like me who have question about masonry not necessarily with a conspiratorial angle. Why ATS? Because I don’t think our kind would be very welcome in Masonic forums. Then the line between what is ATS masonry and BTS masonry could be strictly enforced, without impeding discussion and maintain a conspiratorial angle.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:17 PM
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Edelweiss,

Shouldn't both voices be heard here? Shouldn't both sides be allowed to debate their side or should this site be an anti-Masonic forum?

If it is an anti-Masonic website, doesn't that seem counter-intuitive to what this site really is all about?

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posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Valhall

It's real easy to fling unfounded accusations at people when you isolate yourself in some little paranoid corner of the world where the people you are lambasting can't stand up for themselves. It takes a little more guts to say what you have to say in front of them and allow them to defend themselves.



Thank you for that, Valhall. I think that sums up the entire situation.



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 05:02 PM
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Ready to take a hit ....


I believe that EP is a Masonic Plant....



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by sigung86
Ready to take a hit ....


I believe that EP is a Masonic Plant....


Or maybe a Masonic tree?

static.flickr.com...






posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 05:33 PM
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hey Flower Pirate...

I know what your saying... but dont agree with your resolution.

How better to check and double check your theories on masons, than to post a sensitive topic/info , and see how many defenders jump to discredit it...

I also love to see they squirm when they are denying something (that is there job you know... gotta respect) and you happen to actually have proof that they are covering up...

But also: dont forget that most of these masons, are not scoundrels... they are normal joes that just aren't "in the know"...
They have no clue (because everything is secret) that they are really a overgrown boys networking club...

IMO A boys club that is actually just a pool of talent for the select few to be drawn from... for the REAL secret society (skull and bones type deal... probably illuminati)...

The rest, I am sorry to tell you from personal experience, are just guys that think they know something special

I dont know what your experience is, but I have a feeling it was more from a specific group, than masons as a whole...



posted on Mar, 14 2006 @ 05:52 PM
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THIS thread's title was irresistable.


Upon consideration of the fact we do have real Masons here at ATS I have to decided to it's a major positive.

Looking at it from the perspective of "Just In Case" this a very good thing in deed.


If the Masons truly do rule the "Shadow Government" or whatever it's called it simply can't hurt to have a few around and being polite to them. If it turns out they are just normal Joe Schmoes like you and me at least it was fun speculating about the awesome power they don't wield.


As for the fox in the henhouse, my Partners and I are the ONLY "Foxes" around here.


Springer...



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