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The first translation of an ancient, self-proclaimed “Gospel of Judas” will be published in late April, bringing to light what some scholars believe are the writings of an early Christian sect suppressed for supporting Jesus Christ's infamous betrayer.
The Roman Catholic Church is aware of the manuscript, which a Vatican historian calls “religious fantasy.”
According to scholars who have seen photographs of the brittle manuscript, it argues that Judas Iscariot was carrying out God's will when he handed Christ over to his executioners. The manuscript could bring momentum to a broader academic movement that argues Judas has gotten a bum rap among both historians and theologians, as well as in popular culture.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Anyway, I would be cautious about this sort of claim, I don't recall hearing about any gospel of judas discovery, which would certainly precedde a translation and pubication of it, nor do i recall actually hearing about a cult that actually did hold those beleifs. Consider that, in the modern era, there was a fake "Gospel of Pilate" published, this might very much be the same thing.
Originally posted by MadGreebo
Judas was doing the devils work when he betrayed Jesus.
Originally posted by forestlady
There is a show on National Geographic channel in April about the Judas gospel. I imagine we might know more after seeing that. I haven't heard of it before, you'd think it would have been in MSM by now. Go figure.
Originally posted by Produkt
Well, it does say he was carrying out god's will ...
www.tertullian.org...
1...Be like those in this world and eat of my possessions! Take silver, gold and other things for yourself. "But Allogenes answered him: "Away from me, Satan! It is not you I search, but my Father who is raised high above all great Aeons = arches of heavens each with their own god. For I am him you call Allogenes, I am from a different family line, I am not from your family line." And then he who rules the world spoke to him …
For him, Saklas, times are limited. He comes, the first star of their family line
And they are the stars that are perfect in all respects.
But you have not found an escape from this prison yet
is destroyed, because of the big family line
Originally posted by Nygdan
I like the name 'allogenes'...
It also says on your page that the translation was supposed to be published in 2005, looks like there was a delay. What possible purpose can it serve to consistently delay this thing? Regular peopel aren't going to read it anyway, the first translation would have to be published for a somewhat academic audience anyways no??
Originally posted by Thinker_1
It is no secret in the scholarly world that there are many, many books that were rejected while the church worked out its doctrine and that some of these books have been re-discovered recently in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Havagatti, and are in control of the Roman Catholic Scholars who are supposedly studying and translating them while making it difficult for other scholars to view them.
Originally posted by Thinker_1
This Gospel of Judas might be a smoke screen to cover the newly released second Gospel of Mark, which clearly speaks of homosexual activity between Jesus and a disciple. This Gospel has been verified legitimate by many Biblical Scholars, but there is always dissention with controversial material.
It is no secret in the scholarly world that there are many, many books that were rejected while the church worked out its doctrine and that some of these books have been re-discovered recently in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Havagatti, and are in control of the Roman Catholic Scholars who are supposedly studying and translating them while making it difficult for other scholars to view them.
Originally posted by queenannie38
Allogenes means one who is genetically different although belonging to or obtained from the same species.
--the genes are DNA, in the blood; and 'the life of the soul is in the blood.'
As in 'those who are not of this world' yet as still just as human as the next guy (who is of this world.)
thinker_1
This Gospel of Judas might be a smoke screen
This Gospel has been verified legitimate
roger_pearse
indeed Irenaeus, who was taught by S. John's disciple Polycarp, rejects the whole idea of any other gospels.
Originally posted by Nygdan
roger_pearse
indeed Irenaeus, who was taught by S. John's disciple Polycarp, rejects the whole idea of any other gospels.
Rejects there as being other gospels used amougn the various christian groups, or considers the any other gospels and letters and acts to be forgeries?
As an aside, if Ireneus was a student of polycarp, who was personally taugh by john the apostle, is there any extrabiblical information about john the apostle through polycarp and ireneus? Any commentary on writtings too?
Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by queenannie38
Allogenes means one who is genetically different although belonging to or obtained from the same species.
Where are you getting this definition from, I am not familiar with it. Clearly, such a definition wasn't existant in the early centuries AD, even teh concept of a species wasn't around back then, let alone genes.
--the genes are DNA, in the blood; and 'the life of the soul is in the blood.'
But blood is distinguished from the other body tissues in that its dominant component, Red Blood Cells, contain no DNA.
External source: Columbia Encyclopedia
blood groups, differentiation of blood by type, classified according to immunological (antigenic) properties, which are determined by specific substances on the surface of red blood cells. Blood groups are genetically determined and each is characterized by the presence of a specific complex carbohydrate carbohydrate, any member of a large class of chemical compounds that includes sugars, starches, cellulose, and related compounds.
Interesting. I am more curious at the moment about the contemporary usage of the word.
Its not a typical biblical word, as far as I know anyways, it seems to me to smack of greek philosophical thought (though I suppose that the word is constructed of latin bases no?)
RBC's have a brief life-cycle--about 120 days. As far as not having any DNA--if they didn't, there would be no such thing as blood-typing. Blood-type is a genetic trait. All cells carry DNA--it is usually just not operational.
Originally posted by roger_pearse