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Many Masons are quite simply in the dark.

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posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:26 AM
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I say HA! to the there are no top people in freemasonry, I don't buy it, there are elite top people in freemasonry, royalty and or government officials are "elite" I know I've seen the ways of lions club they act the same way as freemasons elite are elite, no matter the order they are in. There are those in these orders who do get favors and special treatment. I've seen it time & again, it happens in every part of the world. I wouldn't be surprised to see that mistics and or magic is being done in masonry today. Matter of fact I'm just about 2 miles away from a mason lodge in the part of texas I'm in and wouldn't you know it most top people at the nearby prison go there and are members, NO elitism in masonry? keep believing that if it keeps you feeling good.. even if its a total lie. Oh by the way the prison I'm near is the michael/coffield unit medium security unit in texas, you'll find the lodge by using google earth.




posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
I believe that telepathy is real and in use by Masons in a structured way.

This is quite an unusual viewpoint. Is this something you really believe, or are you just theorizing?



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by Trinityman

Originally posted by smallpeeps
I believe that telepathy is real and in use by Masons in a structured way.

This is quite an unusual viewpoint. Is this something you really believe, or are you just theorizing?

No, it's been said by others and I do believe it. The pic I posted is from a book not written by me, so yes, others believe this.



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
No, it's been said by others and I do believe it. The pic I posted is from a book not written by me, so yes, others believe this.


Let me see if I fully understand this.

A: Someone said it (or printed it in a book) so

B: you believe it.

Hmmm.

So honestly smallpeeps, you're telling me you can keep a straight face and say that you truly believe these guys practice telepathy?



(By the way, they do fall into the "structured" portion of your previous post...as this is a picture from an educational program being given at Berea Lodge in Kentucky.

www.berealodge.org...

Telepathy...umm-hmmm



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:10 PM
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Lmao Appak, I was going to post a similar picture
Typical day in the lodge...



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Criniit
Lmao Appak, I was going to post a similar picture
Typical day in the lodge...


Quite true! I found several but when I saw the guy giving "rabbit ears" I nearly fell in the floor. My secretary thinks I've lost my mind because I'm sitting here laughing hysterically.

I figure one of these days those who think Masonry really falls into "conspiracy" will figure out the REAL conspiracy. We're not up to anything but initiating a few candidates, giving a few $$$ to charity, drinking aluminum-flavored coffee and eating stale cookies in the Lodge Hall while the REALLY evil organization set on taking over the world does so because everyone's been watching US instead of them.

Oh well, they'll say it's our fault anyway for being a "decoy"



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Appak

Originally posted by Criniit
Lmao Appak, I was going to post a similar picture
Typical day in the lodge...


Quite true! I found several but when I saw the guy giving "rabbit ears" I nearly fell in the floor. My secretary thinks I've lost my mind because I'm sitting here laughing hysterically.

I figure one of these days those who think Masonry really falls into "conspiracy" will figure out the REAL conspiracy. We're not up to anything but initiating a few candidates, giving a few $$$ to charity, drinking aluminum-flavored coffee and eating stale cookies in the Lodge Hall while the REALLY evil organization set on taking over the world does so because everyone's been watching US instead of them.

Oh well, they'll say it's our fault anyway for being a "decoy"


Lol they already do think were the decoy, or at least the base of the pyramid


But hey, im ok with that as long as I have my cookies and beer and my lodge!



posted on Dec, 22 2006 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Appak
Let me see if I fully understand this.

What's the diff between "full" understanding and "half full" understanding?



A: Someone said it (or printed it in a book) so

B: you believe it.

No, I have other sources which tell me so, but I don't see how this idea threatens anybody or should cause distress. It's interesting don't you think?



So honestly smallpeeps, you're telling me you can keep a straight face and say that you truly believe these guys practice telepathy?

Cute picture. Yes, like I said, I believe Masons are basic good men, even when napping or goofing off. What's your point? I don't have much to say about it. I'm just contributing to this thread with an idea that is out there.

Anyway, I disagree with the OP. Most Masons are not in the dark but are good men. Perhaps the theory above is indicating that Masons are in another kind of darkness in that they don't know of telepathy or its applications. Is this darkness? No more than all of humanity I imagine. So even then it's not fair to single them out as being in darkness of not knowing about telepathy because all humans are conditioned to disbelieve the topic and are happy to agree with the delphi technique which is consistently applied at any mention of the topic. There is no forum to discuss or practice telepathy, in our world. To do so, is to look like an insane person, and our social discourse is limited in this way, for a reason.



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
What's the diff between "full" understanding and "half full" understanding?


The point escapes me.


No, I have other sources which tell me so, but I don't see how this idea threatens anybody or should cause distress. It's interesting don't you think?


It's more interesting to me that people actually believe this. Why Masons? A Fraternity? Why not the Knights of Pythias or the Brotherhood of Electrical Workers? What's so special about the Masonic Fraternity that makes (some) people believe they practice telepathy? And what in the world do the DO with their telepathic skills?




Cute picture. Yes, like I said, I believe Masons are basic good men, even when napping or goofing off. What's your point?


My point is that althought Masons are my Brothers and I think the world of them, it would likely be difficult for the group of guys pictured to work up a couple of links in a "chain of thought" let alone transmit it telepathically.



Perhaps the theory above is indicating that Masons are in another kind of darkness in that they don't know of telepathy or its applications. Is this darkness? No more than all of humanity I imagine.


Right, so again, why Masons in particular? That's my biggest question on the subject....why Masons?



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Appak
Right, so again, why Masons in particular? That's my biggest question on the subject....why Masons?

That's your main question? You don't know that Masons have a sort of collective power over Earth and over the administrative and motive powers which make this world move? I'm not a Mason but I know at least that they are powerful.

Anyway I have no interest in convincing anybody of this. If it seems silly to you, then ignore it or attack it. Makes no difference to me. Only in this forum will a person be attacked for posting an idea. Keep up the delphi techniques, because they do work.



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by smallpeeps
That's your main question? You don't know that Masons have a sort of collective power over Earth and over the administrative and motive powers which make this world move? I'm not a Mason but I know at least that they are powerful.


HOW are we powerful? Sure we're the world's largest fraternity but we have no central organization. Each country where Masonry exists has it's own autonymous ruling body (a Grand Lodge) and in the U.S.A. there are 51 such Grand Lodges...one for each State and one for the District of Columbia. Without any central organization, how are we so powerful?



Anyway I have no interest in convincing anybody of this. If it seems silly to you, then ignore it or attack it. Makes no difference to me. Only in this forum will a person be attacked for posting an idea. Keep up the delphi techniques, because they do work.


I'm not attacking anyone. You seem like you WANT to be attacked?!?

I don't need convincing because I, for one, don't believe what you're saying at all. I don't believe it because you're not a Mason and couldn't possibly know something THAT Earth-shattering about my fraternity when I, a long-time Mason, have never even heard it suggested...even by Anti-Masons.

I'm curious WHY you think Masons are so powerful and WHY you think we have the power of telepathy.



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
So the question is. Do you think that many Masons are in the dark about what's really going on in the higher realms of their craft?

[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]


For sure you are correct. Many, in fact most in freemasonry aren't aware of the higher levels of freemasonry or what exactly is the purpose of Freemasonry. many see it as a way to advance your career, but know little more about it than that. Of course they think they know but when questioned it is surprising how little they do know about the organisation.

Of course it is interesting that you are from a royal bloodline. So why are you writing about Freemasonry here. You obviously don't like the direction it goes in. Can you tell more of your experience and why you are writing about it here?



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by golddragnet
For sure you are correct. Many, in fact most in freemasonry aren't aware of the higher levels of freemasonry or what exactly is the purpose of Freemasonry.


OK, first things first. Are YOU a Mason golddragnet?

Yes or No?

If you are, I will happily bow out of this thread (for a while anyway)

If you are NOT, answer me a SIMPLE question.

How do you KNOW without BEING A MEMBER the exact purpose of Freemasonry? PLEASE, I BEG of you, do not tell me you read it on a web-site, for goodness sake.

How do you KNOW it? That's a direct question, not why do you BELIEVE it, how do you KNOW it?

In fact, I'll go further than that. PROVE IT.

Prove what you say isn't patently false.

Also, define "most" as in "most in Freemasonry aren't aware"

Whle we're at it...WHAT "higher levels?" NAME the "higher levels" and tell me how you KNOW they exist (not that you heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend, who....) or that you "googled" it up on masonwatch.com or some such silly-assed web-site.

How do you KNOW about these 'higher' levels that we active, long-time Masons (I'm a 33rd and a KYCH by the way) do not know about?

How have "they" kept those super-secret 'higher levels' secret from US and you a non-Mason (I assume) KNOW about it?



but when questioned it is surprising how little they do know about the organisation.


I'll admit that the majority of Masons I know, sadly, know very little about Masonrys history, but they know what Masonry is (and what it is NOT)



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by golddragnet
Many, in fact most in freemasonry aren't aware of the higher levels of freemasonry or what exactly is the purpose of Freemasonry.


That someone who has no affiliation with an organization claims to have true and intimate knowledge that the actual members of said organization don't. How do you come by such rare insight? What are your sources? Please be specific, as broad generalities, innuendo and inference by non members certainly can't be more accurate than the actual experience of members. Are your sources ex-Masons? If so, what makes you think they know, you're already so sure that the everyone in the fraternity is a gullible buffoon. Perhaps your relying on the impeccable reputation of certain websites. Do these sites provide the necessary credentials to substantiate their claims? Do they provide any credentials (that would be the who, what, where, when and why) that is the cornerstone of accurate reporting. Do they really give anything?



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 03:30 PM
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I'm a Mason and I have a most extraordinary power.

I have the uncanny ability to be able to tell when food is out of date.


It's sad to see some people blinded by such dogmatic misbeliefs, even when in the face of such overwhelming evidence to the contrary. My powers of deduction tell me that you fellows will not change these peoples minds....



posted on Dec, 23 2006 @ 04:47 PM
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Wow! You're good!


How many years did it take to get to that level?



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 11:09 AM
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With any secret society the higher ones know the most. To keep it secret many lower members aren't told much. As you get higher in the chain you learn more. This is the same with organized crime groups, secret societies, even plain families.

Danica



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by DrBones666
I'm a Mason and I have a most extraordinary power.

I have the uncanny ability to be able to tell when food is out of date.

Hrmmm...

Do you have any physical proof of this?

lol



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 11:16 AM
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So the book by Jim Shaw is a lie? And the web-site ex masons for Jesus is lying as well. How are we to trust the masons on this board? These people I have mentioned could be telling the truth. And the masons could just be trying to slander these people. By saying think for yourselves or this guy and his website are the biggest lies.



posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Andy Warhol
So the book by Jim Shaw is a lie? And the web-site ex masons for Jesus is lying as well. How are we to trust the masons on this board? These people I have mentioned could be telling the truth. And the masons could just be trying to slander these people. By saying think for yourselves or this guy and his website are the biggest lies.


Let's see...you're not willing to trust Masons who've spent YEARS in the Lodge and researched just about every topic available on the subject, yet you are willing to "google" up a web-site that makes wild claims about Freemasonry, when most of the authors of the site have NEVER even BEEN Masons?

C'mon Andy. Use your brain for a minute. THINK. Does that REALLY make sense?

Why would we (the Masons) BE lying about this? We're not recruiting membership so why should we lie about our organization? Why shouldn't we be honest and forth-coming?

Are there bad Masons? Sure. Are their bad Baptists? Sure. Are there bad Rotarians? Sure. Does the existence of some bad people make ALL Masons and ALL Baptists and ALL Rotarians bad? Does the existence of some bad members make Masonry itself evil or the Baptist Faith itself evil or the Rotary Club itself evil? I sure hope not.

Andy, if you're truly interested in the truth about Jim Shaw (may he rest in peace) his packet of lies are meticulously documented in the book

"Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry" by S. Brent Morris & Arturo de Hoyos.

available from amazon.com and other sources and worth every penny IF you REALLY want to know the truth.

Yes both Morris and de Hoyos are 33rd Degree Masons, (and Jim Shaw was NEVER a 33rd like he claimed in the book) but the book has page after page of excellent documentation showing Jim Shaw (and Ron Carlson) for what they really are.

As a researcher myself, documentation (and not wild speculation and rumor) are what it's all about.

Some people, however, tend to read something and assume the writer is telling the truth, simply because he says he is. As for me, I'll take documentation any day, but if you prefer to rely on sources like the liar Jim Shaw or ex-Masons for Jesus, that's your choice.

Don't clutter your mind up with too much of that stuff, though. The info on "ex-Masons for Jesus" or Freemasonrywatch.com is worth exactly what you paid for it....if you know what I mean.

[edit on 24-12-2006 by Appak]



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