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Many Masons are quite simply in the dark.

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 07:11 PM
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Perhaps there are Masons who are not entirely evil. I would certainly like to think so.

Many of the advanced ones I've met are. These are people who coordinate secret service activities abroad for example. (don't ask what I was doing mixed up in that, it was more a case of them trying to mix me up in it).

I do however have friends who are Masons, while I think they are making a deadly mistake and while I have seen very morally dubious activities connected with their lives, I do not consider them to be bad people.

Now, there are Masons on this forum, one of whom claims to be quite advanced. He however has not heard of Illuminated Freemasonry. This then must be seen as a higher-order of Freemasonry.

The Illuminated Freemasons undergo a very special kundalini enlightenment which gives the psychic powers but renders them possessed by extra-dimensional entities. I had assumed that all Masons underwent this process, perhaps then I and those around me at the time, were a minority.

I will add that I come from a royal bloodline family in the Uk. Maybe this has a bearing.

So the question is. Do you think that many Masons are in the dark about what's really going on in the higher realms of their craft?

[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]




posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


I will add that I come from a royal bloodline family in the Uk.
So the question is. Do you think that many Masons are in the dark about what's really going on in the higher realms of their craft?


Sorry, your highness, but the question is what is the name and number of the Lodge you claim to have been affiliated with. Like I've been saying all day, you can't tell us because it doesn't exist.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 08:25 PM
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Oh, now you're from a royal bloodline?

Sheesh, anything to try to prove an authoritative argument with a basis in pure fiction.

Why must you stir the pot so? You've been discounted all day long, and I say again, you have no leg on which to stand.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 02:07 AM
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It seems to me that everytime Pirate opens his mouth, masons tell him to shut it. This is supposed to be a conspiracy board right? I am a very long time reader but only recent poster on ATS and lately I find that the conspiracy might be that some of the posters on here are probably dis-info agents.

I have nothing against Masonry, several of my family have been a part of it, and if asked to join, I probably would, but it does seem that the Neo-Cons running the place are up to no good, and that governments truly couldn't care less about us "useless eaters," so yes, there is definately a conspiracy against the citizens of Earth, and yes the Banks and Governments are the perpetrators of this, people like the Rosthchild's make me sick.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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It's not an awfully big deal to have royal blood.
Many people have royal antecedents without even being aware of it.
Check out this list of European royal names:

www.ishipress.com...

And these are only the legitimates...
Those Lords were pretty busy putting it about you know..
ever hear of le droit du seigneur?

The Lord of the manor had the right to take the virginity of any woman of the parish...

To reply to DrBones,

You seem aware of the level of manipulation invloved in our world and seem to have a healthy aversion to their corruption. You, like me, have family and friends who are Masons... In fact I only realised my friends were Masons during the final period of my indecision about joining (this made it all the harder to definitively leave it behind because it quite isolated me but I did it all the same).

My question is why do you still want to be a Mason? If you kind of know they're a but dodgy wouldn't it be best to leave them alone... It's the curiousity of the thing though isn't it? It niggles at you and the temptation..

I was the same... I was SURE that they weren't all bad, hell perhaps we needed them... I almost convinced myself.. Then I was 'enlightened' and I saw the reality of the situation. The enlightenment is like that practiced by the Sufi and other secret societies around the world. It is awakening the soul of man. Only problem is the soul should only awake at death not before. If you undergo 'illumination' you become what I term 'living-dead'. That is, a soul chained to the earth. That is why we have the myth of 'selling your soul' this is almost literally what happens.

You start getting manipulated by evil extra-dimensional entities, demons if you like. The Masons' reputation for evoking higher beings is no mystery. This is what they do... they are black magicians.

Anyway, wherever your path takes you DrBones, good luck...



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

It's not an awfully big deal to have royal blood.
Many people have royal antecedents without even being aware of it.
Check out this list of European royal names:


You start getting manipulated by evil extra-dimensional entities, demons if you like. The Masons' reputation for evoking higher beings is no mystery. This is what they do... they are black magicians.

Anyway, wherever your path takes you DrBones, good luck...


This is the arguement that does not hold any truth because Freemasons do not act in the ways described by the poster of this absurd arguemnet. It reminds me of a person who said that Freemasons gave him drugs in an attempt to make him become a Freemason. They also destroyed his toilet......
Freemasons are people who are a part of the normal world. They hold down regular jobs and try to make this world a better place to live in for all its citizens.

Gerard



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
The Illuminated Freemasons undergo a very special kundalini enlightenment

Anything to support that information?


I will add that I come from a royal bloodline family in the Uk.

Your family is from teh netherlands?? Because thats where the british royal family is from.

Do you think that many Masons are in the dark about what's really going on in the higher realms of their craft?

No, I doubt that that is the case, although there is precedent for such an operation, re: the Carbonari. However, the issue there was that the authoritarian governments were acting against the carbonari, and they had to keep their radical liberal ideals secret, to be revealed in full radicallness only in the higher degrees, whereasthe masons are pretty upfront about their liberalness and secularism, and don't seem ot be under oppression from the governments today. Also, a critical difference wrt the carbonari was that they had a single line of degrees, with the radical liberalism revealed only in the two or three highest degrees. Masonry has an entirely different structure. For example, its one thing to say that the scottish rite masons are harbouring a secret political motivation (and, for what, 300 years or so???), but quite another to say that Masonry (that is, the scottish rite, the york rite, the shriners, etc etc) are all harbouring 'the secret'. The 'highest' degree in masonry does seem to be the 3rd degree, insofar as a 1st and 2nd degree mason gets 'superseded' in some ways by a third degree, but having a 4th degree doesn't seem to give you anything that a 3rd degree doesn't.
THe only other option is to say that the secret is contained in the membership of UGLE, or perhaps that you only find out about it after become c.f. 'past grande luxurious poobah' or somesch (ie, its in the offices, not the degrees, which are then irrelevant).

But no, I don't think that there is any such evil and dangerous secret contained within masonry.

[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
but the question is what is the name and number of the Lodge you claim to have been affiliated with.

Please try to stay on topic. That subject is covered in another thread, there is no need to bring it up here.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 04:20 PM
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What is going on here is that I am trying, as a non-mason, to discuss spiritual events which have happened to me, during a period of several years, during which I was headhunted by the Masons.

What is also happening is that the Masons and their sympathisers are trying to discredit me, in order to keep their secrets by calling my real experiences 'absurd' and suchlike.

The reason I'm doing this is because I believe that 'their' secrets are actually our spiritual birth-right which has been stolen from us in a millenia old conjuring trick by the masters of illusion. They want us to be ignorant of our true power and our spiritual rather than purely, physical nature.

This makes it all the easier for them to enslave us. Take a look outside. Turn on the TV it is happening now. 9-11, Bush, Iraq, Iran. The world is being directed on a crash course to insanity and destruction and the Masons are in the driving seat. It is time to wake up and shake of the yoke of fear and ignorance.

Gerard, I would be interested in knowing this person you speak of.
You say he was offered drugs. It seems quite plausible.
Many masons actually have marriages and girlfriends arranged by fellow Masons.

Sex and drugs of course is but one avenue of control these people use.

The Masons I know about are actually probably better described as Illuminati. It seems that the extent of my experience, is unfamiliar to the 'knife and fork' brethren gathered here.

All of this is common knowledge in most conspiracy circles. don't degrade the quality of this site by debuking these themes which are echoed by so many other researchers of quality.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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Freemasonry, as the church has outlived it's purpose - they are no longer necessary in this day and everything has degenerated. It was meant to happen - remember this. Neither has the church suceeded in delivering man from ignorance, nor that of any lodge. What does this tell us? The great work must and can only be done internally and this is why I am opposed to any organization that can influence public policy and this includes the church who can take tax exemption. This is a very bad policy - can you see why this may be so? We the people can fund whatever we chose without the government involved in our lives, see?

The days of Pike are over, dear Masons and have been over for a long time. Both modern Free-Masonry and the church have been infected with a form of materialism that would put the zionist named Karl Marx to shame. Free-Masonry and the church continue to be the shepards of their flock but few can understand that since the time of Christ, there is no need for the flock to be controlled. Thus the reason for all the conspiracies of late is that we people are tired of being led like sheep and want to be free spirits.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Please try to stay on topic. That subject is covered in another thread, there is no need to bring it up here.


It's true that it is covered in another thread, but I disagree that it is off-topic. Reason being:

1. In the original post in this thread, Pirate claims that some Masons are in the dark about his supposed "illumination". He even claims that he was "heade hunted" by Masons, in this very thread.

I suggest, however, that his entire story is bogus. This is relevant to the topic because, obviously, if he's lying, then the topic is nonsensical.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 05:41 PM
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Ok, we've got alot of people going off topic here. This thread is about there being masonic secrets kept by a group of masons from 'most' other masons.

We all are intimately familiar with each others rhetoric on the other aspects, lets try to discuss the idea that there is a cabal within masonry that keeps presumably terrible secrets from the rest of the masons, and that, if I understand correctly, that those secrets are the 'true' masonry.



So.

In addition to the other questions and thoughts I had in the post above, I would like to know just how Mr. EP found out these secrets, because, if they are kept from other masons, but revealed to outsiders, then, well, that seems to mean that they aren't the 'secrets of masonry', if anything (let alone that they aren't terribly important secrets).



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Christians can accept that Satanism has infected their highest ranks - the Pope himself said it, so it's VERY safe to assume that Masonry has been infected at the highest level also. Those who rule will not want to teach the Great A to those below over which they rule. A.M.O.R.C is a den of black magic and this is a fact exposed by several Great mystics. But is this a Masonic lodge also? What if A.M.O.R.C says "YES" but most Masons say "NO", who then is correct? If Mr. EP's logic is similar to this approach than I see nothing wrong in it! But if he does have some personal experience than let no Mason here accuse him of bearing falsehoods.

The key is not found in Masonry but in those Supra-Masonic like organizations that barely resemble Masonry. It's very difficult to point the finger on any lodge when they are all so different. Consider that zionism is pure black magic and that the zionists love to hide behind the many true Jews with all their good intentions. Now where do you think the zionists meet - in a Synagog, Church, Masonic Temple - they are EVERYWHERE!

Those who rule over man today are not good people (they cannot be) because to rule over someone is to believe in some kind of superiority and those so-called masters over time - even of original good intent, shall always degenerate. The practice of egoistic black magic is but what happens over time to those who rule others; King Solomon was an example. A great and powerful King who's kingdom eventually fell into wickedness. We best start learning from this truth.



[edit on 12-3-2006 by markusjharper]



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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I love this, a Non-Mason knows more then a Mason! Like a white person knowing more about what it's like to be discriminated for being black then a black person. Sorry, but I think a Mason knows more about being a Mason then you.



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 08:07 PM
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I love this, a Non-Mason knows more then a Mason! Like a white person knowing more about what it's like to be discriminated for being black then a black person. Sorry, but I think a Mason knows more about being a Mason then you.


Was my post bashing Masons and are you assuming that I am not a Mason, or never knew any Masons personally? Are you bringing up a race related issue and attributing this to my opinions about good and evil? Are you the example of the new kind of materialistic philosopher that is allowed to defend virtuous Freemasonry?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:50 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Masonic Light
but the question is what is the name and number of the Lodge you claim to have been affiliated with.

Please try to stay on topic. That subject is covered in another thread, there is no need to bring it up here.


What that is totally on the subject is there a forum specifically dedicated for people wanting proof of other peoples claims? Is he going to read it and respond to it? theirfore it is perfectly on topic to ask for some kind of evidence, that he is speaking the damn truth here when is that considered off topic????

[edit on 13-3-2006 by Spatacus]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 07:08 AM
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A.M.O.R.C is a den of black magic and this is a fact exposed by several Great mystics


What great mystics?

And the fact is that the founder of A.M.O.R.C. was a rosycrucian before he was a freemason, is that not proof that A.M.O.R.C. is not part of a secret faction of masonry?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
The Masons I know about are actually probably better described as Illuminati. It seems that the extent of my experience, is unfamiliar to the 'knife and fork' brethren gathered here.


Probably because the people you refer to, are not part of regular masonry. I could start an organization tomorrow like a No Homer club and say its part of masonry, doesn’t make it so.

Are those the “Knife and Fork” masons?





Originally posted by markusjharper
Freemasonry, as the church has outlived it's purpose - they are no longer necessary in this day and everything has degenerated.


What about freemasonry's and the Church’s charitable work, shouldn't we take that into account, aren't those necessary? And can I know which of the great mystics said that AMORC was “a den of black magick”?

EDIT:
Don’t worry markusjharper, we’re not ganging up on you. Spatacus posted while I was spellchecking this post.

[edit on 13/3/06 by ConspiracyNut23]

[edit on 13/3/06 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 08:05 AM
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Hmmmmmmmmmm................................................

I was just thinking, in a recent post MAsonic Light said that there were some pretty cool and important secrets, now I'm just connecting the dots here but he said that they don't actually teach the real meaning of the masonic symbols to masons, so then why is that? Is it that the thoughtfull ones could figure it out? I don't think so because he said that the teachings of BOTA helped him understand the real secrets of masonry. So is it then possible that there is a secret shadow organization that does teach these secrets?

According to my first hand experience there very well could be!!! It makes a whole shiite load of sense to me now. Before I said in the post how do you tell if someone is a mason That my best friend growing up was a mason, and that he kept it a secret(wich is god damn true).Please read my whole post if you want more juicy details. People shot down my story saying masons don't keep their membership a secret and so on wich I got really pissed at. Anyways mabey my friend is one of these secret masons. I'm not saying this indeffinetely, however all I am saying is that my personal experience goes directly against what these "masons" are saying. And my experience isn't only limited to my friend. I was also trying to join a couple of years ago, and the mason I spoke to said that if I were to join that I would be allowed or brought to certain doors that I may have never even knew existed. To me that alludes to a pretty crazy secret wich is in direct contrast to claims that this is an "ordinary" society with ordinary men not involved with anything that could be considered supernatural.

I'd be very interested to find out how old is BOTA, how long has it been affiliated with masonry, it actually operates in the masonic lodge, right around the corner of my house. If its not that old what are it's lineage and are their links to their lineage with freemasonry?

[edit on 13-3-2006 by Spatacus]

[edit on 13-3-2006 by Spatacus]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Spatacus
People shot down my story saying masons don't keep their membership a secret and so on wich I got really pissed at.


I’m sorry to hear that, the board can be pretty harsh at times. My first forum experiences were mostly computer tech forums, so the transition was difficult at first. Sometimes that’s good, sometimes that’s bad. I guess they were saying that the “regular” Masonic lodge didn’t advocate such a policy.



I was also trying to join a couple of years ago,


Was that the same lodge as your friends or a regular lodge?

I’m also interested by all the different kinds a masonry that exist today. Masonry has evolved over 3 or more centuries. Some seem really interesting. (One member, Moonchild was describing one that sounded pretty cool.)

And some lodges seem like the typical boring business club. Different types of Lodge have evolved and are targeting different demographics. (I once ask on this board about Masonic names, because I was wondering what type of Lodge did this, so far I know that official masonry doesn’t have any.)

They are many Lodges outside Official Masonry (I think that means tied to UGLE). And I think in this case Edelweiss Pirate is describing yet another Lodge outside. I’d be interested to hear about this one too. Now he uses the term “Illuminated” to describe being taken into the order. Obviously the “official” masons think this is odd. (I think they use the terms received, accepted, and raised – in that order)

Edelweiss Pirate what else to you know of this order? The one you were almost Illuminated in.



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