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300,000+ Chicago Protestors Rally Against Immigration Bill

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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 12:30 AM
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Immigration is the problem that is destroying the wealthy and civilized parts of the world today. That our elites are behind this tells me the contempt that they hold for the rest of us.




posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:44 AM
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Vekar,

While I think the essense of what you're saying, in taking away absolutely all motivation for them to come here, makes some pretty good sense- I think there would be problems with some of your specifics. You might further refine that to distinguish between illegal and legal immigrants more clearly, which is where one key problem lies.

So much is talked about ILLEGAL immigration, and yet so little about the LEGAL immigration process. For those wanting to learn more about how that is done, here are a couple resources:

US Citizenship and Immigration Services

Legal Immigration Family Equity Act

Center for Immigration Studies



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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I am in agreement with other posters in this thread. Illegal immigration is out of control.

Our borders are porous. This is a concern relative to terrorism to be sure, but I am more concerned about illegal aliens taking jobs from citizens and taking advantage of services that are designed for citizens alone.

I do not like paying for services for people who are not interested in citizenship and/or who are working here only to send their paychecks out of the US. The practice of supporting illegal aliens with US funds/services is diverting funds and services away from US citizens who have worked for or are eligible for these funds/services.

I also find it extremely disturbing that illegal aliens have many of the same rights as US citizens. This is ridiculous. They should not be entitled to welfare, health care, educational opportunities, legal representation, any kind of licensing, et al, on the public dime.

Worst of all, they have no right to picket or protest US policy. They are not citizens of this country.

This issue is yet another example of the failure of the government which we employ to represent our interests and protect us. It has forgotten whom it works for - the citizens of the United States.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
they are still human beings who need help.

Yes. But it isn't the job of America to support the entire world.
We CAN'T do it. We physically and economically can't do it.
We are not a socialist welfare state.


Why are they coming here?


Because our border security stinks. Because there are socialists
here in America who want to spread the resources too thin in order
to support everyone, even those who are criminals and here illegally,
and those who don't earn as much as others and the illegals know this.

They come here because they won't fix their own country.


help some of these countries get on their feet so that there
isn't the drastic difference in quality of living,


No.

Middle class America doesn't have the money, the energy, or the
need to lift the entire world. Self responsibility. It's about time
that the people in those countries fixed their own and stopped
looking for free handouts from us.

Rewarding laziness just promotes laziness. Giving billions in
'aid' just goes to corrupt governments and never reaches people
so that's useless anyways and a drain on the Americans who
actually WORK FOR A LIVING.

The people of the nations that have less than America will just
have to fix their own instead of coming here and pulling us down
into their muck.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 02:36 PM
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Middle class America doesn't have the money, the energy, or the
need to lift the entire world. Self responsibility. It's about time
that the people in those countries fixed their own and stopped
looking for free handouts from us.


I like how upper class America, doesn't even enter into the situation. Middle class America should step up and get upper class america to put a little bit of effort in. That is, if they love their country enough to pay to help it. Those selfish, bloated, bigoted, billionaires care for nothing but themselves for the most part. It seems that a tax on the top money in this country could do a lot for this.

As for the people trying to fix things for themselves, that is exactly what they're doing by moving here! They don't trust their govt, so they come here to work for a living, and get paid for it. This isn't about giving handouts, it's about helping others to help themselves.

The problem isn't border security because we wouldn't need that security if there wasn't the desire to come here. So, let's get rid of the desire to come here illegally. Of course most people would want us to end the desire through punishment, but that's just the sadist in them.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 03:56 PM
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You know people what makes me wonder the most about all these post against immigrants, is the fact that many Americans has forgotten their roots in their self given righteousness to tell who should become an American and who should not.

Or who should be allowed across the borders and who should not.

Obviously education in our country has become so degraded that many has forgotten how our nation was founded.

Nobody asked the inhabitants of this lands if they wanted to be conquered, decimate and slaved when the first pilgrims came to the shores of their lands.

Now the unworthy protesters should be silenced while they are exercising the rights that they came to this nation to enjoy alone with the rights that our forefathers came to this nation to enjoy also.

At least these immigrants are not raiding our communities looking for gold.

Pity.

[edit on 13-3-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
all these post against immigrants,

Against ILLEGAL immigrants marg. ILLEGAL.
Like I said, I have no problem with legal immigrants.
My father in law came here legally. So did my daughter.


who should be allowed across the borders and who should not.

Those who come here LEGALLY should be allowed to cross the borders.


many has forgotten how our nation was founded.

How this country came to be started 200-500 years ago doesn't matter.
What matters are the laws NOW. There is a legal way to come here.


At least these immigrants are not raiding our
communities looking for gold.


They are raiding our hospitals, schools, and yes they are raiding
our 'gold' ...

They are flooding hospitals so that Americans and LEGAL immigrants can't
get medical care.

They are flooding the schools so that Americans and LEGAL immigrants
can't give their children a proper education.

They are flooding the streets with gangs. We have enough homegrown
gang problems. We don't need the Salvadore gangs too.

3/4 of the money they make, they send back to Mexico so they aren't
even helping the American economy.

And then there are all those drugs the illegals have flowing into our
country, and the drug tunnels found at the boarder ....



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 04:20 PM
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You know I live in a town that the only way that farming can make it with illegal inmigrants.

So far I have not seen any of the points you are making happening here, yes is been gang killings but funny that they ones been targeted has been immigrants.

I have worked with their children and with their families Flyers.

Funny I have seen nothing of what you are pointing out.

It most be hell where you live at in your state and community when you have to be going through all that trouble you mention in your post.

My children and me has never been denied health care so far because of inmigrants.

My comunity has not been raided by inmigrants gangs and the school systems sucks with or without inmigrants that is the problem of too many opinionated people trying to tell teachers and the school system what or not to teach in school.

So far the inmigrants in our surrounding counties are not taking over our country clubs yet.


[edit on 13-3-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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I also find it extremely disturbing that illegal aliens have many of the same rights as US citizens. This is ridiculous. They should not be entitled to welfare, health care, educational opportunities, legal representation, any kind of licensing, et al, on the public dime.


I find it disturbing that you think only an American citizen has the right to good health, an education, and legal representation. It's that prejudice that really gets my goat (if they had let me bring my goat across the border)


[edit on 13-3-2006 by Rasobasi420]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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I really dont see what the all fired problem is...
if our government wanted to solve this, it would be easy...

Bust down on employers that employ illegal immigrants

make it easier to be here legally, like say... register for a SS# and english class.
tax em, educate em, then let them be a boon to america.

Personally, there are other countries that i would like to go live in, but they know they are good places to move, so they make it tough to go there (australia for one)
I would be more than willing to not only pay taxes, and learn a new language (If neccessary) but to also do 2 years of community service or military service in order to be granted the right to live in those high demand countries.

I expect the same of any that would try to be American...
sign up, pay taxes, maybe do some required service time... and then you have EARNED the right to be called an American.
and if you have no desire to be called an American, then dont bother trying to come earn a better living.

Sneaking across the border to steal jobs from higher earners just makes you a thief...
We dont want thiefs, we want proud Americans



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
Sneaking across the border to steal jobs from higher earners just makes you a thief...
We dont want thiefs, we want proud Americans


Actually our own government is doing that for us is called outsourcing, while taking our high pay jobs out of the country, we now need to keep the immigrants from taking what is left over.

Pushing cars at the local Wal-Mart, or like here in the south, working at the chicken factory or picking pecans.


[edit on 13-3-2006 by marg6043]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043

Actually our own government is doing that for us is called outsourcing, while taking our high pay jobs out of the country, we now need to keep the immigrants front taking what is left over.

Pushing cars at the local Wal-Mart, or like here in the south, working at the chicken factory or picking pecans.


TOO TRUE!

maybe that is the goal of our government... ruin the reason for mexicans to come across... they would have to go all the way to india to get our jobs now...

sad

but so true marg



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:40 PM
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What I said is just a rather primitive outline, but it should get the point across. If people do want to come here and become LEGAL immigrants, fine let em come, if not fine you come too but you wont get the treatment that citizens would get. Cracking down on those who hire ILLEGAL immigrants and even legal ones would take some doing: You would have to bust most of our own congress, senate, house, pres, vice pres, etc etc etc not to mention the largest corporations in the world that operate in the US. This is why they pretend to do something about it (to keep you happy) yet at the same time why they DONT do anything about it. They will only talk about immigration problems when they get the chance to make a buck off of "security" buildups like more fences, wires, maybe land mines if they could pull it off, etc. They will GLADLY take up anyones cause so long as they can make money off of it.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420


I also find it extremely disturbing that illegal aliens have many of the same rights as US citizens. This is ridiculous. They should not be entitled to welfare, health care, educational opportunities, legal representation, any kind of licensing, et al, on the public dime.


I find it disturbing that you think only an American citizen has the right to good health, an education, and legal representation. It's that prejudice that really gets my goat (if they had let me bring my goat across the border)


I did not state that they are not entitled to services. I stated that they should not be provided these services on the public dime. I have to pay for these services. It is only fair that they pay for them as well.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 07:54 PM
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It is amazing how nasty human beings can be.

We are all humans of this earth, and we should all have the same rights, regardless if one swims to the U.S. or is born here.

Illegal immigrants don't get welfare or anything else for that matter.... so I do not see what you guys are saying.

These people are not criminals.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
they are still human beings who need help.

Yes. But it isn't the job of America to support the entire world.
We CAN'T do it. We physically and economically can't do it.
We are not a socialist welfare state.


Why are they coming here?


Because our border security stinks. Because there are socialists
here in America who want to spread the resources too thin in order
to support everyone, even those who are criminals and here illegally,
and those who don't earn as much as others and the illegals know this.

They come here because they won't fix their own country.


help some of these countries get on their feet so that there
isn't the drastic difference in quality of living,


No.

Middle class America doesn't have the money, the energy, or the
need to lift the entire world. Self responsibility. It's about time
that the people in those countries fixed their own and stopped
looking for free handouts from us.

Rewarding laziness just promotes laziness. Giving billions in
'aid' just goes to corrupt governments and never reaches people
so that's useless anyways and a drain on the Americans who
actually WORK FOR A LIVING.

The people of the nations that have less than America will just
have to fix their own instead of coming here and pulling us down
into their muck.




For the last time. Illegal immigrants are illegal!!!!!! So they do not get welfare or any other benefits. They do not live on your dime!!

Illegal immigrants are the manifestation of working for a living, because it is the only way they will survive!

Flyers Fan, you are one very ignorant person.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 08:33 PM
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There seems to be a problem at ATS with personalization. Please remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion. You may not agree with it, but that does not mean you have to start calling people names or insulting them in other ways. Let us be civil to one another despite our differences.

As to the topic at hand, when an illegal alien receives services at a hospital and cannot pay for them, other paying patrons of that hospital end up paying the bill indirectly through higher costs for services. Welfare - see 2a.

The illegal children of illegal aliens are receiving educational services while their parents are not contributing to the tax pool. This is an issue in California and other areas of the Southwest. Welfare - see 2a.

When an illegal alien requires legal representation, and the services are not provided pro bono, he is assigned a public defender who is paid by the government. Welfare - see 2a.

Welfare is broadly defined for a reason. It comes in many forms, not necessarily in the shape of a check.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 10:02 PM
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These people are here ILLEGALLY!! What part of "ILLEGAL" is not understood? This is nothing short of an invasion from Mexico! These people come here illegally to take advantage of our system. Do we turn them back? NO!! We put them on Welfare and pay for these invaders. Am I for closing our borders...HELL NO!...Immagrants are what made this country. But "ILLEGALS", will be the ones to destroy us. If someone goes through the proper channels and procedures to become a citizen of this country...then I applaud them. They took the chance, and worked to become a citizen.

But the SOB's who come illegally, should be rounded up and shipped back to where they came from!! For those who argue that they take jobs, no American wants...I offer this!!
Those who are on WELFARE in this country should take those jobs!! If they don't like it, then get off your ass, and go out and better yourself!

I'm sick and tired of people on WELFARE making more money than I do as a working American. I goto work 5 days a week...hate my job, to support myself...and we have able bodies collecting checks from the GOVT!

First, are the victims of Katrina....You chose to live in it's path, you don't have insurance...welll F.U. No one said you had to live their...you made your choice....and 100 billion (YES BILLION) later you still complain. 100 billion is 100,000 to 1 MILLION people! I'm supposed to have my taxes increased, so you can live in a hotel...B.S. Get off your lazy ass and go to the affected areas and work for money.

For the people on WELFARE, go out and work a job, I'm willing to make up the difference. But to sit on your ass and wait for a GOVT check...NO WAY! If you are not willing to help yourself, then don't expect my tax dollars to help you!

Until every American pays his or her..(or these days IT's) fair share, don't come crying to me. Almost 50% of Americans pay no income tax...let me say this B.S. That is why I'm for the Fair Tax approach. Whether you make $10 q year or $10,000,000 a year, everyone pays a certain percentage. In this day and age, with all the GOVT programs, no one should be POOR!! But until the poor are willing to help themselves...Then I say survival of the fittest, and lets remove them from the gene pool.

If you are below the poverty level, then I'm willing to help,, but first you have to be willing to help yourself. For those waiting on a GOVT check and doing nothing...BYE.. glad you were born, but don't procreate...because your getting nothing.

For those out there who don't know where to turn for help! I'm willing to help...just show me that your willing to do something, and I'll help you do that. Show me that your willing to learn to better yourself, I'm willing to help there. But to sit on your ass and collect a check....I HOPE YOU DIE!!!

This may get me banned,, but I do not care!!! As an everday American, who is not rich, who is struggling to make ends meet, this is how we feel. And if that is wrong ban me! I work hard 8+ hours a day to make ends meet. And guess what, they don't always meet. But to watch people sit around and wait for a check from the GOVT...Makes me sick!! (And before you blast away at me, I have family members that do this...and I wish someone would cut them off, and make them live in the real world!!)

I have perfectally abled family members, who do nothing more than wait for their GOVT checks to arrive every month. I wish they were cut off!! As long as they keep getting the check, they are more than happy to sit on their asses and do nothing. When theyy are willing to help themselves, then I am Willling to help. Until then I hope they starve!!!!

This country is going to HELL in a HAND BASKET...And the people who keep it running are complacent(SP) The American dream is not WELFARE, it is not ILLEGAL IMMAGRATION...and as soon as the rest of us realize this, then we can go on to our greater good.

If we fail to see this, then we are no more good than the 2 bit dictators who rule the 3rd world countries. Who keep their people oppressed. But a free people across this world are the ones who will make it prosper.

But to prosper, we all need to fight the elite and those who think they know better. NO ONE knows better than the people in the trenches! This goes for polotics and business. If the people in the trenches were gone...then everything falls apart! The day to day Americans, (People in the trenches) keep this world/business running! Once you piss them off royally...None of the elite can do what they do.... THINK ABOUT THAT!!

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[edit on 14-3-2006 by sanctum]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by CSRules
These people come here illegally to take advantage of our system. Do we turn them back? NO!! We put them on Welfare and pay for these invaders.


Deny ignorance, obviously you have no clue as what the law allowed or not allowed went it comes to public services to illegal immigrants.

But. . .


Many get Away with welfare benefits in states that sponsor the program and littler or not questions are asked when recipients sign to receive the benefits.

States that are generous on these type of programs are the ones that become targets to exploitation and that is not limited to illegal immigrants alone.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 11:05 PM
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OK CSRules that was a rather racist statement and I will ignore as much of it as possible. As for the Katrina people, you would not be so mouthy if your town got wiped out and had no help from the govt. and had no money to do so. NO was wiped out not to mention other towns nearby so there is NOPLACE to work because its all up in smoke or 100-200 miles out at sea floating around or at the bottom of the ocean.
Shipping immigrants OUT, BULL! It will cost MILLIONS to ship them out because of how many there are, its easier to just cut off motivation to come here which is FREE by giving those jobs to AMERICANS and going after those who refuse to hire americans, or claim no Americans want those jobs. The MAIN REASONS you have problems with taxes is because of insane spending, and also tax cuts to the rich.
The problem as I said before is that no one wants to solve the problems we have unless it makes them money. Now they HAVE been shipping them back for YEARS but it has NO EFFECT AT ALL. Why? Because they have nothing to loose and just come back and do it again, eventually they get through and get a job at a plantation or something or other. You cannot just will people not to come by flexing muscle, when you have 0 promise where you are but have a 1% chance of getting a little something north of you that 1% is looking MIGHTY GOOD. Hospitals charge so much because no one can pay their bills, why? No jobs to speak of, its all given the immigrants who do it for 80% less or for 99% less. If you enacted laws forcing companies to hire americans first then immigrants last after there is no americans in line at unemployment offices your taxes would go down a tad, along with bills such as medical, insurance, etc. However to solve the whole problem of extreme prices in medical etc you have to address MANY things not just immigration, immigration has little effect on it in the long run or maybe a 10% effect if you push it, the rest is to over expenditure like on the military ect.
Immigrants are not convicts, they are just people trying to find a little money to make a living, the same as YOUR ancestors some 200 years ago when they were comming to america, they were immigrants too. Dont put your nose up at immigrants because ALL white, black, asian, and middle easter (I know I left somone out) people came here by IMMIGRATION for the same purpose. So if you spit on immigrants you might as well as spit on yourself because thats how you got here, even native americans immigrated to the americas.
I have no problem with immigrants, in fact I know one who works at a local school. I have no problem with them and nor should you, we are all stuck on this little rock in space and if you dont like it find out how to get to Alpha Centauri and pray there is a planet that can sustain us there and GET A MOVE ON, why? because there will be lots of land to use and the only immigrants will be people from this planet, then you wont be able to whine about them taking your jobs because you are one yourself and get to feel what its like to be an immigrant.
Immigrants are not to blame for our problems, its the ones who encourage them to take american jobs and the ones who force americans out of the workplace by shipping jobs elsewhere.



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