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Question: What Is The REAL Reason For So Many To Be Anti-Masonic?

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:28 PM
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Oh - yes - Albert Pike is known worldwide as the "BLACK POPE" - now we know that pike was not negro - so the term "black" is no indication of his race.

Now - if you are Catholic or not - no one can argue that the title of Pope refers to the office of Vicar of Christ. one may argue that the Popes are not actually Vicars of Christ -but the office of Pope is meant to be the office of Vicar of Christ.

So if one is known as a "BLACK Pope" it is pretty clear that this is a satanic reference!




posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
Oh - yes - Albert Pike is known worldwide as the "BLACK POPE" - now we know that pike was not negro - so the term "black" is no indication of his race.

Now - if you are Catholic or not - no one can argue that the title of Pope refers to the office of Vicar of Christ. one may argue that the Popes are not actually Vicars of Christ -but the office of Pope is meant to be the office of Vicar of Christ.

So if one is known as a "BLACK Pope" it is pretty clear that this is a satanic reference!



Well,you know what? We put any connotation that we desire upon words,bub.....as you obviously have done here.

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:37 PM
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nah - there is nothting satanic in that - come on - you obviously have never read anything from Pike or about Pike - you live in a fantasy land.



I laugh at your assertions of what I have and haven't done. You don't know anything about me.....I just joined yesterday,bub. You interpret things the way that you wish,just as others of your ilk do. You try to make things fit into your very narrow view of reality I can see that already.I really do not have the time nor the patience to spend on such small mindedness.

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:37 PM
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You do know that neither Pike nor anyone else for that matter is the "official" spokeperson for Freemasonry, don't you? Pike merely wrote what Freemasonry meant to him.

However, I am sure that this won't mean anything to you. So I guess that I will see you in hell.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by A_Widows_Son
You do know that neither Pike nor anyone else for that matter is the "official" spokeperson for Freemasonry, don't you? Pike merely wrote what Freemasonry meant to him.

However, I am sure that this won't mean anything to you. So I guess that I will see you in hell.



Widow,I am sure he doesn't want to hear reason.He is arguing from pure emotion.Let him rant.I find it rather amuzing myself.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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You'll find a couple of more things that Pike did if you go here

education.yahoo.com...


You have to realize that Pike,just like the rest of us,was a product of his environment.....



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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Black Pope...

Just to entertain your thoughts of this "worldwide fact," I did a Google search on Black Pope. Feel free to do it yourself...

Guess what? Pike isn't known as the Black Pope, the head of the Jesuit order is.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Damocles357
Black Pope...

Just to entertain your thoughts of this "worldwide fact," I did a Google search on Black Pope. Feel free to do it yourself...

Guess what? Pike isn't known as the Black Pope, the head of the Jesuit order is.



Precisely....thanks for bringing that to light Damocles

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:01 PM
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Since most of the anti-masons are religous or extreme right wing christians, id say its religon. Generally, Christian extremeists believe anything that is estoric or has a broader view of the divine is Satanic, including all Pagan faiths, the occult, ect. The fact that Freemasons keep their rites secret makes the Christ-insane even more ballistic.

Masons, like any estoric society, must keep their knowledge secret because of the tendancies of the rabble to flip out and attack that which they refuse to understand.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
Oh - yes - Albert Pike is known worldwide as the "BLACK POPE" - now we know that pike was not negro - so the term "black" is no indication of his race.

Now - if you are Catholic or not - no one can argue that the title of Pope refers to the office of Vicar of Christ. one may argue that the Popes are not actually Vicars of Christ -but the office of Pope is meant to be the office of Vicar of Christ.

So if one is known as a "BLACK Pope" it is pretty clear that this is a satanic reference!


Last time I checked, Anton LeVey, founder of the church of Satan, was refered to as the Black Pope. Hardly anyone has ever heard of Albert Pike unless you are a Mason chaser.

Please get your facts straight.

And to non catholics, the pope is not a vicar of Christ. To them, the pope is an idolater and an anti christ.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
One of the major sourcebooks of Masonic doctrine is Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry, written in 1871 by Albert Pike, and is considered to be the "Mason's guide for daily living…


Interesting claim. But is it true?

Let's take a look at the preface, before we even get into the book:

The teachings of these Readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrine, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to be untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment. - Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma", preface.

Here we can tell before even beginning Chapter 1 that broadhead's claim is false.



In Morals and Dogma, Pike wrote: "Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion...Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason… every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself."

The next statement reduces the Masonic philosophy to a single premise. Pike writes: "The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is that of Yahveh reversed; for Satan is not a black god... Lucifer, the Light Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light...Doubt it not!"


What broadhead has here done is collect various snippets from throughout the entire book, and pasted them all together into one long run-on sentence that doesn't make sense. This is another example of anti-Masons not being able to quote Masonic authors legitimately and in context.


you obviously have never read anything from Pike or about Pike - you live in a fantasy land.


We Masons recommend EVERYONE interested in the subject to read Albert Pike's books, especially "Morals and Dogma". We do this because if people actually read it, they will realize they are being conned by you anti-Masons.

So, for their benefit, "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike can be read in full here.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:46 PM
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Yes - Please all of you go and read the entire work at the link provided by Masonic Light - nothing could be more clear about the satanic nature of this cult than this work - read it and see who is taking things out of context, see who is not thinking for themselves - see who does not have their facts straight - READ IT!



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
READ IT!


Amen. And while you're at it, you may also want to read Pike's response to anti-Masonic Bull "Humanum Genus" issued by Pope Leo XIII.

The Church first declared war on humanity in the early dark ages, until it was conquered by the light of Truth. A link to "Humanum Genus" as well as Pike's response, along with a speech he gave to the Supreme Council 33° concerning it, can be found here.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 04:56 PM
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oh - yes - and to those who deny that Albert Pike was refered to as the Black Pope - do a search of:

ALBERT PIKE - BLACK POPE.

The Jesuit reference - is a derogatory term applied by non-catholics to Jesuits - it is meant to be SATANIC - just like it is meant to be satanic when applied to Albert Pike.

Regarding Anton LeVey - i never said that Albert Pike founded the official tax-exempt status bogus "religion" in California - what i said was that Pike was a SATANIST.

Satanists existed looong before the "Church of Satan".

Regarding the TITLE - get that - TITLE - Vicar of Christ - nobody argues that the term Pope is the TITLE of Vicar of Christ - i made it very clear in my post that one could argue that a Pope is NOT the Vicar of Christ - but that does not change the fact that the term Pope represents that TITLE. I guess this concept is beyond some peoples ability to comprehend.

Again - don't take my word for it - and certainly don't take the word of the satanic masons themselves - READ IT YOURSELF - a proud mason posted a link to the entire works - cause he is betting that you won't bother to read it - if you do - you will know who is speaking the truth



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by onesharpbroadhead
what i said was that Pike was a SATANIST.


Nygdan, I think Voltaire's prayer is coming in handy again.




Regarding the TITLE - get that - TITLE - Vicar of Christ - nobody argues that the term Pope is the TITLE of Vicar of Christ - i made it very clear in my post that one could argue that a Pope is NOT the Vicar of Christ - but that does not change the fact that the term Pope represents that TITLE. I guess this concept is beyond some peoples ability to comprehend.


It's not difficult to comprehend, it's just easy to see through as bogus, as is most everything else you've written in this thread.


Again - don't take my word for it - and certainly don't take the word of the satanic masons themselves - READ IT YOURSELF - a proud mason posted a link to the entire works - cause he is betting that you won't bother to read it - if you do - you will know who is speaking the truth


Actually, even though it won't happen, I would prefer it if everyone here read it, as well Humanum Genus and Pike's response to it. Like I said, even a casual reading of Pike will show that broadhead, like the fabled emperor, has no clothes.

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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I'm not necessarily anti-Masonic, I'm rather ambivalent.. but I don't like the sort of stuff that goes on at Bohemian Grove. Someone mentioned it early on in the thread, it's the activity at the top-of-the-pyramid - the highly-compartmentalised area, that is responsible for all the evil and greed in the world. Stating the obvious, really. This is a conspiracy site, right? I assume we are all aware of the Illuminati, right? THAT'S where the rot sets in.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:26 PM
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quote..masonic light
Masons do not recruit anybody. Any man of good character who is a full age and believes in the existence of God is eligible to request admission, and then br admitted. The fact that many successful and beloved people have been Masons only shows the excellence of the tenets of the Order. Your charge is therefore false.


this isnt completely true, they do not ask that you believe in god, they actually say a SUPREME BEING, which in my opinion could be good or evil. i find most religions or secret societies to have many faults, imo. i dont belong to any religous group or cult or secret society, i dont feel that my life needs it to be complete, imo religion and secret societies are the main cause for all the trouble in the world, george bush claims to be a christian, but it is a well known conspiricy that he is in the skull and bones society, also there is rumour that tony blair is a 33rd degree mason, look at the evil these 2 men work



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by billysastard


this isnt completely true, they do not ask that you believe in god, they actually say a SUPREME BEING, which in my opinion could be good or evil.


We could argue over semantics, but in Masonry the terms "God" and "Supreme Being" are used interchangeably. as I imagine they are by most people outside of Masonry too.

As to the proposition that God could be evil, that is a philosophical question that was looked at by several of the Gnostic sects of antiquity. However, I'm not aware of many folks today who will claim that God is evil.



i find most religions or secret societies to have many faults, imo. i dont belong to any religous group or cult or secret society, i dont feel that my life needs it to be complete, imo religion and secret societies are the main cause for all the trouble in the world, george bush claims to be a christian, but it is a well known conspiricy that he is in the skull and bones society, also there is rumour that tony blair is a 33rd degree mason, look at the evil these 2 men work


Blair isn't a Mason. Bush was a member of the Bones frat when he was in college. Personally I don't like either one of them. Blair is a pitiful excuse for a socialist and supporter of the working class in his support of Bush, and Bush, well...I won't even go there.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by billysastard
also there is rumour that tony blair is a 33rd degree mason, look at the evil these 2 men work


Yes, and the staggering point about that is very few of those whom make it to this supposedly high level are aware of what they are really a part of and still don't know the real secrets, unless they are "chosen" (bloodlines). There is more information in a book by Jim Shaw (a former 33rd degree freemason), called 'The Deadly Deception'.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by RiotComing


Yes, and the staggering point about that is very few of those whom make it to this supposedly high level are aware of what they are really a part of and still don't know the real secrets, unless they are "chosen" (bloodlines). There is more information in a book by Jim Shaw (a former 33rd degree freemason), called 'The Deadly Deception'.


Actually, I've posted on Shaw at length here before. He was never a 33° Mason, nor was he was a Past Master of his Lodge, nor Past Master of all Scottish Rite Bodies. He made all this up.

In a previous thread about him, I posted photocopies of Shaw's resigation letter, as well as other correspondence between him and the Secretary of his Scottish Rite Temple. I also posted a photocopy of the membership card he turned in. All these show Shaw was a 32° Knight Commander of the Court of Honour at the time he resigned, not a 33°. You're welcome to search the ATS archives, and see it for yourself.



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