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Originally posted by Merger
I have read about the creation of HAARP through the work of Nikola Tesla.... a scientist..... and not from conspiracy sites...
Originally posted by SkipShipman
Ironically if this EMP effect happens, America may have to return to honest elections, hand counted paper ballots like most other countries. With honest leaders, sherrifs, prosecutors, and even judges, the real culprits might either get caught or be deterred, most likely anyone but who the propaganda news tells us they are.
Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
Well then riddle me this... Why doesn't HAARP just make everyone think it's not there? Or helping us? Or something like that? Or is that just because you and a select few operate on a higher brain frequency?
Also, what other motives would there be for so many countries and establishments to operate ionospheric heaters? Are you implying the US is the only country with the ability to do such things as mass mind control, weather manipulation, etc... while other countries with similar devices show restraint? I find that VERY hard to believe!
Could it be so simple that they're all doing research of some kind? No... Occam has razor burn anyway!
Originally posted by jsobecky
HAARP and Iranian-directed sarcasm aside, I have a semi-serious question.
It's been a few years now that I've seen it, but I remember viewing a show on a device that law enforcement could guide, or "shoot" under a stolen car or other vehicle involved in a high speed chase. Bam! Triggering it would disable all of the car's electronics and bring it to a stop. Anybody else see that show?
As far as the Iranian EMP, do they have reliable delivery methods?
Originally posted by blackhumvee113
and also if iran did use their emp(if they do indeed have it)on israel or another of our allies what do you think the U.S. would do,and what if they hit the U.S. itself, do you think the us would send one right back at them or what?
A EMP is a electromagnetic pulse, much of the energy is contained by electromagnetic characteristics of the earth's atmosphere. Then beyond a certain point, the pulse is contained and dispersed as an expanding circle of electromagnetic energy. This concentrates and lengthens the pulse.
1. The height of the weapon when detonated.
2. The size of the weapon.
3. The distance from the weapon when detonated.
4. Geographical depth or intervening geographical features
According to an internet primer published by the Federation of American Scientists
A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth’s magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.
The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. The first recorded EMP incident accompanied a high-altitude nuclear test over the South Pacific and resulted in power system failures as far away as Hawaii. A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of CONUS. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.
Thus, for equipment to be affected, the weapon needs to be above the visual horizon. Because of the nature of the pulse as a large, long, high powered, noisy spike, it is doubtful that there would be much protection if the explosion were seen in the sky just below the tops of hills or mountains. The circumstances inside the bottom of deeper valleys may be different, and locations with a large mountain range in-between (such as the Rocky Mountains) likely have some protection. Thus a weapon detonated high over Kansas might have only indirect effects on the US West Coast.
The height indicated above is greater than that of the International Space Station and many low earth orbit satellites. Large weapons could have a dramatic impact on satellite operations and communications; smaller weapons have less such potential.
Radius in Miles Circumference Relative Strength
10 62.83 100% or 1
20 125.66 50% or 1/2
30 188.50 33.3% or 1/3
40 251.32 25% or 1/4
'Aerial detonation would require the use of aircraft, or surface launched missiles of limited range (typically a range 100 to 300 miles). The scenarios have the detonations typically occurring within the earth's atmosphere, and likely relatively close to the ground (within a dozen or so miles)."
Originally posted by MadGreebo
There is one type of EMP weapon thats absolutely un-interceptable, and the USA has it -HAARP. It produces currents that can light up the electrical particles in the atmosphere - imagine what happens when that bounced off the ionesphere and onto a ground target!!?? carnage to say the least.
Originally posted by trIckz_R_fO_kIdz
You people have to be kidding me, this is just another Neo-Con war fraud. Its made to scare the people so we will support a attack on Iran or the big bad EMP will go off and send us back into the stone age *rolls eyes* I see half of you guys go off of sources, but then make up some BS to make it sound more powerful then it really is.
Also Fox carried the disclaimer that there was "no proof" to validate the story but being the boot-licking establishment mouthpiece that they are decided to run it anyway. Heres a example of total BS fox would put out, www.foxnews.com...
"Iraqi Drones May Target U.S. Cities"