posted on Oct, 22 2002 @ 11:18 PM
If you had read in its entirety the whole document, you have noted certain very interesting things. Such as the Lords prayer referred to in the
Talmud. This is a serious work written by people who believe that religion can and has been
abused as a means to generate separatist ethics among the masses. My impression is that if you feel this is impossible in respect to Christianity you
are being foolish.
Separatist Ethics which you clearly accept as valid and I clearly accept as wrong.
No, often I do not understand what you are saying. There are plenty of ways to overcome whatever problem you have. This in relations to communicating
yourself with written text. There are word processor programs as well as more sophisticated programs such as Microsoft word.
Your position on the Vatican Assembly (Vatican 1) is offensive, mostly because of family issues (something I am prepared to overcome as well as is my
family and only because of there faith in reincarnation). Your position on the Popes effort to establish a rapport with alternative systems of belief,
to be honest, makes me very sad. The bible is a book, written by people who felt they were motivated by God. To some extent they were correct and that
extent is representable in other systems of belief. And that you choose to deny that (beyond any shadow of doubt), for me raises questions. Questions
about your motivations in relation to peace.
I cannot reject what I feel and believe either. It is to me as important and relevant to human survival, as you apparently feel, what you believe is
to you. And I cannot reject the intent as represented to me it is the result of love for souls.
"Truth" there is no reason for you to give me your phone number. In fact it is behooves me to inform you that whatever you have to say to me, here
is the best in this place. 200 years ago your kind would have found great pleasure, in killing my kind (in the worst possible way). Do not think that
then the feeling was mutual amongst the Taino.
There are of course other reasons, this related to this venue. And as well the financial value a phone number can bring to a hacker (its really not a
If you are really interested in understanding me read on:
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Posted By: Juan
Date: Thursday, 10 October 2002, at 6:05 p.m.
In Response To: Re: appreciation (Marty)
Marty how many years have you spent learning about alternative belief systems to Christianity? What qualifies you to know the difference between a lie
and a truth?
This country became more aware of its problems when in began applying technology. It became easier to make people accountable for there actions. Yes,
this country was founded on a moral imperative, but that moral imperative is a not exclusive parameter of one culture. Our Nations founders started
this country after a war. And within a 100 years fought two others, one to maintain herself as a country. And the other to free the rest of this
Hemisphere from the control of the Spanish. The Spanish cared nothing about how people were treated, they were interested only in collecting Taxes.
How the people were treated was the decision of the Vatican Assembly.
100 years is not a long time in relation to political circles, what you refer to as the founders of this nation those families, maintained influence
and were part of the decision making process. So the question is why would the United States of America fight a war which ultimately would destroy the
Vatican empire? It was not to take control of these territories and place its leadership over the Hemisphere, because they did not do that. Was it
because the abuse was of to such an extent and evidence was so clear that they could not in all conscience allow it to continue. You know what, as far
as I know that was the answer.
This country did not deny assistance nor did it react negatively to the implications that many of the people who were being tortured and killed
believed in Shamanism. The fact of the matter is the Vatican Assembly was not engaged in torturing and killing there devout followers. This country
was not concerned as to what repercussions would follow for destroying the Vatican's last stronghold in the world (i.e....God). They only saw the
pain and horror and did something to stop it and then did not demand absolute control.
So what was it Marty that made this country decide to come to the aid of what you called devil worshipers? Why should Shamans and those who follow
such methodologies merit such respect? Perhaps it is because those leaders learned something from one or some of its representatives. This being that
they shared the same moral imperatives. Something they apparently did not feel they shared with those they went to war with.
You seem to want very much for others to understand the difference between truth and lies. But in my opinion you will never understand what truth is
to me, unless you have walked for a day in my moccasins. There is no difference to me between the Vatican Assembly and my people and what Nazi Germany
meant to the Jews. And one reason for that Marty is that the standard procedure of the Vatican Empire when entering a new territory was to wipe out
the leadership of that territory. The only tribe they tribe to wipe out in the Western Hemisphere was the Taino. By the 1820s there were perhaps 10
families left take a guess as to which one I am from??????????????????????????????????
The word Founder is a name applied to the Indian version of an Angel but it is also a word used to mean King, Leader and one who commences something
really great and very good and that is not a lie.
And what are your thoughts?
My father used to say that if you really want something you have to make a sacrifice. As I understand it you want peace? I know in my heart that Jesus
is coming soon but realize this, I also know in my hearts as well as in my mind. That the very last time he walked on this earth he spent that time
amongst the Toltecas. And it was him who first said the word "Nagual."
What are your thoughts?