21 year old GI killed in Masonic mystery

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posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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That's quite all right Borg..

My intention in printing the story was to make some of the people who are considering Masonic membership to seriously search their hearts and think again. This is a personal opinion based on my personal experience of the Masons. What struck me most on visiting this site, was the number of people seemingly interested in joining the Masons and the seemingly 'kindly' Masons posting here.

I simple feel that Masonry was not being adequately represented, we were hearing only a non-existent fantasy version of things. The truth you will never hear from a Mason, it is more than their lives are worth. And the truth is that Masons are in Hell. A hell of their own making. It is the price they pay for turning away from the true light of God. It is all however a false paradigm, a game of Hegelian dialectics we are caught up in.

On one side you have damnation for witchcraft and on the other, redemption by Jesus Christ. Both sides are the same game. Even the Jesus character. This is why so many ex CIA men are born again Christians, he is the
archetype who will save them (yes, even Masons can be saved).

The Masons are pretending that there is something special about being a Mason, it is in fact a CURSE. The curse of Cain. They seem to think that my claiming to have been involved in the Masons is me making myself out to be something I'm not. In fact it was the lowest point in my life. I was in fact being demonically possessed. At the time, I was sick to the heart when I nearly joined. The enlightenment was like suddenly waking up in hell.

I would like to say more but the Masons disinfo merchants will just bore me with their venom. I will post more about their extraordinary world if anyone will support me or show some interest.

Otherwise I will stay here, and try to figure out what Masons are doing on a conspiracy site, probably secretly taking credit for the conspiracies.

I would appreciate it if some humans could respond and not the undead.


[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]




posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

They seem to think that my claiming to have been involved in the Masons is me making myself out to be something I'm not. In fact it was the lowest point in my life.


In fact, it is pure make-believe, as has been demonstrated, and we've already called you on it. You cannot name the Lodge, nor its number, nor any of its members. All your talk about perpetrating a fantasy has really come back to haunt you.


I was in fact being demonically possessed.


Well we've got some sort of anti-Catholic Catholic priest on here named broadhead who would be happy to perform an excorcism, I'm sure. If that doesn't work, take three aspirins and call me in the morning.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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Are you the leader of the ATS zombie army?

Numbers? Members? Why do I need to prove anything?

Why would I want you to track me anyway.

I was nearly possessed, I put it to you that you are actually possessed.



[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 06:39 PM
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Is there anyone on this thread who is not a member of Masonic Light's undead zombie army?


Please speak up! Let's make this forum a safe place to come to.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate


Is there anyone on this thread who is not a member of Masonic Light's undead zombie army?


Please speak up! Let's make this forum a safe place to come to.


I think you've already lost it, dude. It was fun playing though.



posted on Mar, 11 2006 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

I would appreciate it if some humans could respond and not the undead.


[edit on 11-3-2006 by Edelweiss Pirate]


You got it mate, I'll reply. If you don't stick to your topic I'll trash this thread toot-sweet. They'll be NO bashing on either side.

M'kay?

Edit: To add, I just finished reading the rest of this page, anymore conduct like your posts Pirate will garner warns and possible Post Banning.

ARE WE CLEAR?

[edit on 11-3-2006 by intrepid]



posted on Mar, 12 2006 @ 09:37 AM
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That's fine Intrepid. Understood. I will modify my tone in future.

It is quite hard to deal with being called a liar though. It’s not exactly a one way street, I'm taking a lot of abuse from members and I'm on my own here. What I see are classic tactics to discredit someone who wants you to hear what they don’t want you to hear.

There is this man on-line insisting that I give a lodge number and names of people I used to know. The fact that I don’t wish to tell him who I am somehow means I am a fake.

If I could be allowed to make my posts without being dismissed as a liar and whatever else they want to call me, it would be nice.


Back to the topic:

While certain posters here are reluctant to make the link between this young GI's unfortunate death and the induction to the 3rd degree, such a course seems to be an avoidance of facts.

Why was the boy so terribly afraid? A 21 year old G.I, a soldier, apparently reduced to the condition of a boy crying to his mother. It is clear that there was much much more to this initiation than meets the eye.

To reduce a strong young man to such a state requires an extremely hard hand. This is a boy who got through combat training with all its psychological and physical rigours.

This case reminds me of the recent series of deaths at the army's Deep Cut barracks in the UK:

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2005/deepcut_inquiry/default.stm

Again, we have a case where four young trainee soldiers are killed mysteriously in separate incidents and the MOD refuses to hold and enquiry.

Is it a coincidence that all 13 members of the British Army Enquiry board are Freemasons?

www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/naziMOD.html

This is the problem with 'secrecy'. The fact that we are told so little allows us to assume that something quite bad is going on. I also know that the freemasons and the military are intimately connected. All the soldiers I know underwent a freemason initiation which involved being followed around and physically attacked. A stress inducing exercise to create a climate of fear in the candidate. Fear being essential for subservience.

Again, my opinions of Freemasonry are not sound bites scrabbled from conspiracy writers (though what's wrong with that?) but actual personal experiences of an attempted indoctination into their cult. I post for the simple reason of wishing to inform people that there are always two sides to every story.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:22 AM
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I honestly think this has been made out to be something that it's not. Why aren't we focusing on the several people dying everyday in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter? What about the hundreds of people that die in car accidents everyday? I see no difference in the two, except for the circumstances surrounding his death.

Granted, the circumstances seem wierd, but they are no more wierd than college kids dying as a result of alcohol poisoning; it happens every year. This case is no different.

Your personal claims are your own, and you're free to think any way you wish, as that's what makes this country so great. But until the autopsy comes back in, I don't think any case can be made either way. So, in light of all of this, how's about we call a truce till the results get here... deal???



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by TheBorg
Granted, the circumstances seem wierd, but they are no more wierd than college kids dying as a result of alcohol poisoning; it happens every year. This case is no different.

This case is different because a young Freemason was being repetitively beaten up and abused by his fellow Freemasons, events which led to him drinking and then dying in mysterious circumstances, which the coroner described as sudden.

The Prince Hall grand lodge that has jurisdiction of the lodge in which Wilder was active, should sort itself out and make sure these beatings don't continue against other young men. It shouldn't have happened in the first place.



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate
Numbers? Members? Why do I need to prove anything?

You don't. Of course, your credibility has tanked, and online, there isn't much to go on besides a person's credibility so..... *shrugs*


bassclef
This case is different because a young Freemason was being repetitively beaten up and abused by his fellow Freemasons, events which led to him drinking and then dying in mysterious circumstances, which the coroner described as sudden

Indeed.

Does anyone know what the contact address is for the commanding organization in PH Masonry? Have they issued any statements? Has this lodge been punished? Was there an investigation? This could be a good thing to ask them. Perhaps then we can get some answers. Heck, perhaps we can even have one of the PH leaders come here and discuss the topic with us.

edit to add:

been able to get some information. Here are the PH lodges within mannheim germany and their officers

www.mwphglwa.org...
Last Web Update: February 2006

New Light #67/9*
WM Charles E. Clements
CMR 418, Box 2637
APO AE 09058
Home: 011-49-176-2318-8318
[They have no secretary, its listed as "TBD" which I take to mean 'to be decided".]

Perfect Square #88/9

WM Antonio Youngblood
HHC 1st, Perscom
Unit #29058
APO AE 09081

Sec. John Baugh
HHC 1st, Perscom
Unit #29058
APO AE 09081

* Indicates GL updated and corrected information based on Election Certificate or letter.


The above site indicates, I think, that these lodges are subordinate to the site's main lodge,:


OFFICE RESIDENCE
P.O. Box 3285
Seattle, Washington 98114
Office: (206) 323-8835
Email: mwphglwa@msn.com


So, unless someone more versed in Masonry than me can see that this lodge isn't the one to contact, then it probably is the one to start contacting.




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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 10:57 AM
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More information on those lodges:

Freemason.com
There's more than one thing in this article that makes me curious. First of all, the list of lodges on the Web site of the Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Washington has no mention of a Mannheim lodge that meets on the first Saturday of the month, which is what 7 January would have been; there are two Mannheim ones, but with different dates. Maybe it's just out of date, though (I know Wayford's listing on the Norfolk Masons site is a year out of date, for instance).




Go ogle Cahce of guestbook

Name: St. Marthe, Tavares Elisues
From: Perfect Square #88 District #9 Mannheim, Germany
EMail: tstmarthe@hotmail.com
URL:
Remote Name: 147.40.250.249
Remote User:
Date: January 11, 2005
Time: 01:51:56 PM

Comments
Travel Lite my Brothers...



Google Cache of page

CALENDAR OF EVENTS, DISTRICT #9, WASHINGTON

DEPUTY’S CALENDAR 2003

date: 04 Dec 2004
Event: District Session, 2nd Quart
PM’s Degree/ Installation Ceremony
St. John’s Day Service
Host: TROWEL LODGE #80 (P) PERFECT SQUARE #88 (A)

Now, again, I don't know much about the order of these things, but does this mean that there is a Lodge#80 in Mannheim or in close physical association with Perfect Sq#80, in mannheim (since they are co-hosting an event)? Perhaps this guy was in #80 and that is the one that meets on the first saturday?




us.z.webhosting.yahoo.com...

First Name : Elwood
URL : www.angelfire.com/jazz/ez3x3
Comments : IN HOC Sir Knight, you have a very nice site. Keep up the good work.
Lodge : Trowel Lodge 80
Email :


From the webpage above, there is a list of deceased members, but Don Wilder isn't listed.
www.d9beehive.com...

Contact infor

Trowel Lodge 80
Meeting held at Patrick Henry Village Elementary School 2nd Thursday, 1930 and 2nd Saturday, 09:00 Hours
Worshipful Master William I. Fulgham Sr.
CMR 437, Box 650, APO AE 09267
[...]
In September 1988, [...] And A Host Of Brothers Journeyed To Heidelberg Germany For The Consecration Of Trowel Lodge #80.


From the same page it looks like the information on Perfect Square looks most likely to be the lodge, wrt it having a guy in military uniform as WM. But then again the other ones probably are military also.




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[edited to rework link lengths -nygdan]

[edit on 13-3-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
The ceremonies of Freemasonry are artistic, colorful, beautiful, and intellectual.

And occult... you forgot to mention that the rituals are occult... Until not long ago, Freemasons used to vehemently deny Freemasonry had anything to do with the occult. The UGLE, based in Covent Garden, even used to officially deny Freemasonry had anything to do with the occult but these days, it's undeniable, so I don't why this misinformation isn't being disseminated anymore from Masonic sources. I wonder why that is?

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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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BassClef would you mind defining occult for me? I thought occult met “secret” does it mean more than that? What exactly does it mean? [size=-4](In a low voice...) Do the evil Masons sacrifice infants?

Seriously I agree with Nygdan on this, why don’t we wait for information from the source itself before wildly speculating.


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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
BassClef would you mind defining occult for me?

By occult, I mean practises like for example conjuring up the "spirits of the elements", ceremonial magic, and the Kabbalah, etc.

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posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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Is that wrong? Can if affect you? me?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Is that wrong? Can if affect you? me?

It's not against the law, if that's what you mean but it's important for ordinary people in the street to understand what Freemasonry is about!

[edit on 13-3-2006 by BassClef]

[edit on 13-3-2006 by BassClef]



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:56 PM
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But, bassclef, do you think the regular people on the street can be bothered with that info? Do they really care?

If you ask 10 people on the street what they thought about Kabbalah, how many of them would only be able to say something about Madonna? There's a reason the Orthodox Jews limited its study to those over a certain age...it's a ton of information! It's way too much to be digested in a 30 second soundbyte! So things get generalized and pigeonholed...is that the proper way to bring these sorts of things to light?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by BassClef
It's not against the law, if that's what you mean


No I mean personally, do you believe “conjuring elements” can affect you and me?
And are you sure ALL masons conjure elements?



posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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Just the other day I conjured both Tungsten and Molybdenum!




posted on Mar, 13 2006 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Damocles357
But, bassclef, do you think the regular people on the street can be bothered with that info? Do they really care?


I think more people care than you think. What about all those 10's of thousands of Christians that know very well what the occult is - all those Christians who've been told Freemasonry has nothing to do with the occult? Knowing this information would mean they'd be better informed if they ever wondered about joining with the Craft. In times when Freemasonry enjoyed less light coming in from the outside, I'm sure a lot of Christians might have had second thoughts, before getting involved in occult practises, etc.





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