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posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
 


Ah, Augustus, you have a way with words that always impresses me. All I can say is "agreed!"




posted on Jan, 12 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Thank you for your kind words my friend, and you are not lacking in the communication department yourself. You know my sentiments in this matter and it pains me to see our Fraternity besmirched. If these incidents were truly occuring they should be handled with expediency and tact, niether of which is being applied in this instance.



posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 04:02 AM
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I am more real than some can handle. Could be that I am an unfortunate product of a failed Masonic system.
How has the system failed?
Grand Lodge has concurred " the obligations are meaningless words". We do have an email from a Grand Lodge special deputy confirming such.
An audit was supposed to have been done by Grand Lodge regarding the lodge in question by a crooked bimbo that also does one of the rites books. I early on through this process informed Grand Lodge that this women is "not truthful" and needs to be replaced, I have that email. Further more, after 8 months of this phony audit, this CPA states "an audit cannot be done as the secretary of the lodge threw away all records" We all listened to this BS under summons with the Grand Master present.
A local Judge informed us "HD and RX" that, a large sum of money was recently placed into the account. "Where did it come from"?
We, HD and RX were kicked out of the lodge on false charges for objecting to a crossdresser getting the degrees. Easily proved "many a witness".
The former secretary hijacked my business web site and turned it to a porn site. " Hired an expert and traced this to his computer that also does the lodge and one of the rites web sites". This can not be refuted.
The EAM from this lodge that ask me to make a suppressor for a Chicom SKS rifle, "Federal crime"I have a witness.
I have been made aware that, I can object to this EAMs further degrees, I intend to do such. But, I want to know who put him up to this, I will find out.
The suppressor incident has me in a rage after all of the above.
This has some that, "may be Masons" angry, I can understand that. If this anger is focused on RX and I, that is acceptable.
Would it not be in the best interest of all, that this entire matter be handled forthwith?



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posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Would it not be in the best interest of all, that this entire matter be handled forthwith?


I agree it should be handled forthwith. I believe you are funneling these crimes to the proper channels here at Above Top Secret as this is without doubt the correct place to report the numerous felonies and misdemeanors that you have alleged. I understand your reticence at contacting the United States Attorney for your district as they are obviously unable to handle transgressions of this magnitude and nature. I am certain that your continued posting on a conspiracy website of these supposed instances will surely aid in the resolution of said infractions and eventually lead to meteing out justice to all those who have perpetrated them. Best of luck in your fruitfull endeavor.

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posted on Jan, 13 2008 @ 10:54 AM
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This sounds completely fabricated.


Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
I am more real than some can handle. Could be that I am an unfortunate product of a failed Masonic system.
How has the system failed?
Grand Lodge has concurred " the obligations are meaningless words". We do have an email from a Grand Lodge special deputy confirming such.

It is common knowledge that Grand Lodge communications are almost exclusively done in writing. An 'email from a Grand Lodge special deputy' isn't a communication from a Grand Lodge.


An audit was supposed to have been done by Grand Lodge regarding the lodge in question by a crooked bimbo that also does one of the rites books. I early on through this process informed Grand Lodge that this women is "not truthful" and needs to be replaced, I have that email. Further more, after 8 months of this phony audit, this CPA states "an audit cannot be done as the secretary of the lodge threw away all records" We all listened to this BS under summons with the Grand Master present.

Masons are sticklers for paperwork. Lodge records are generally recorded by both the Secretary and the Treasurer (especially if they involve money). That your Grand Master was present is also questionable; the GM seems to travel quite extensively during his turn in office, visiting many Lodges.

Furthermore, an issue this serious would probably fall under something that would be heard at a Grand Communication. And, if something this serious had actually happened. it's fully within the jurisdiction of the GM to suspend the Lodge's Charter.


A local Judge informed us "HD and RX" that, a large sum of money was recently placed into the account. "Where did it come from"?

Uh huh. Suuuuuuure. No reason a judge would EVER ask someone like you that.


We, HD and RX were kicked out of the lodge on false charges for objecting to a crossdresser getting the degrees. Easily proved "many a witness".

If you had ever attended a Lodge, it is without a doubt likely that you would have been kicked out. Only Masons are allowed to attend a non-public Lodge meeting. You aren't a Mason.


The former secretary hijacked my business web site and turned it to a porn site. " Hired an expert and traced this to his computer that also does the lodge and one of the rites web sites". This can not be refuted.

It can, AND easily. Most of the Masons I know are barely computer literate. That you would happen across one that not only can hack a website, but also that you obviously didn't prosecute shows that this didn't happen.

Especially if you had evidence of such a thing.

But you don't.


The EAM from this lodge that ask me to make a suppressor for a Chicom SKS rifle, "Federal crime"I have a witness.

"The" EAM? Most Lodges have more than one at any one time. I have no idea how many, but there's almost certainly more than ONE EAM at any Lodge.


I have been made aware that, I can object to this EAMs further degrees, I intend to do such. But, I want to know who put him up to this, I will find out.

If you've been kicked out of the Lodge, then ... how were you reinstated?

If you are a Mason, then you would know the rituals and procedure of a Lodge meeting, and you would have already known whether you could object or not. It's my understanding that the rituals are repeated - ad infinitum - throughout the year. If you haven't picked up on how they work ... well, I go back to you not being a Mason.


Would it not be in the best interest of all, that this entire matter be handled forthwith?

I would imagine it already has been; you've made the whole thing up.

Your pal,
Meat.



posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 01:30 AM
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Well what can be said, this original post is about a man getting killed just trying to be a Mason, very sad indeed.
I simply post problems with another out of due bounds lodge with a member that wants to silently kill people with a cheap import assault rifle but needs a silencer to get it done.
I cant see that I am off topic.
Wow Meat! Where did you come from? I have been a member here for years!

Augustus, I and RX want the Grand Master to go to law enforcement, in fact we insist! Wouldnt he be the right one to do such, after all he is our leader. RIGHT?

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 08:35 AM
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Stop.

1) You continue to post increasingly fantastical claims of which you can provide no proof. When asked for proof, you provide none.

2) You continue to completely derail threads in order to take the opportunity to talk about these fantastical claims.

3) You continue to do all of this in a forum that - were you really a mason - you know would be the improper place to discuss things. This would be like me talking about the problems in my church on an religion bashing forum. You've been a member - according to you "for a long time" - yet continue to do this.

I have no doubt now that this is someone exhaustive attempt to tell a story. A very bad story, and in bad taste, but a story nonetheless. I am sorry that you have a grudge against masonry big enough to make this sort of thing up.

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Augustus, I and RX want the Grand Master to go to law enforcement, in fact we insist! Wouldnt he be the right one to do such, after all he is our leader. RIGHT?


The process of reporting felonious behavior is not dependent upon the Grand Master of your state participating in the action. If crimes of this nature are truly transpiring it is contingent on you, as a moral upright citizen, to take the appropriate actions and deal with them accordingly. Speaking from a personal level I would not permit anyone to infringe upon my rights as a citizen and would employ every recourse at my availabilty to facilitate the adiminstration of justice, and I do not need anyone to hold my hand while performing this duty. Unless of course they are all fabrications, in which case I would continue to post them in this forum as their entertainment value has begun to correspondingly increase along with their unbelievabilty.

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posted on Jan, 15 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Wow Meat! Where did you come from?

I was the fastest sperm.


Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
I have been a member here for years!

I cannot see what relevance that has.

You have made some fanciful claims, and I would like to see some proof of the. It appears - from reading your posts - that you don't have any. If you have none, then I stand by my original statement that you made the whole thing up.

Your pal,
Meat.



posted on Jan, 17 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Ok, I am a Master Mason and you do not get paddled in any lodge of F&AM Masons. Also I have never heard of any true lodge charging 1,000 plus dollars for dues. If this guy guy got hurt or killed it was not in a true F&AM lodge. Prince Hall or otherwise. I have heard of groups posing as Freemasons but they are not. I do know of one group of "Masons" that call themselves the snakes but they are not true Freemasons either.



posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 05:03 PM
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Catholic Mason, the problem being that the Grand Lodge in some regions has lost control. In my area, one of the rites pulls the strings of the Grand Lodge, so as, Grand Lodge is FUBAR.
What can happen is, those in the rites who take higher degrees may feel that the rules and obligation of the first 3 degrees are void. This has become all to clear in my area.
Just before one takes the 3rd degree, the Master of the lodge says something to the candidate. This is important. Think about that.



posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Catholic Mason, the problem being that the Grand Lodge in some regions has lost control. In my area, one of the rites pulls the strings of the Grand Lodge, so as, Grand Lodge is FUBAR.

The Rites are appendant bodies. The Grand Lodge is an entirely separate entity, and management changes every year.

Post the name of the Grand Lodge, I'd be interested in knowing which GL you're talking about.


What can happen is, those in the rites who take higher degrees may feel that the rules and obligation of the first 3 degrees are void. This has become all to clear in my area.
Just before one takes the 3rd degree, the Master of the lodge says something to the candidate. This is important. Think about that.

Meh. No degree is higher than the 3rd Degree.

And I'm also unsure of what you mean by 'takes the 3rd degree.' Could you please be a bit more specific?

Your pal,
Meat.



posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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Something by the Lodge Master is said to the candidate just before he approaches the alter for the obligations, as I stated, very important and relates to the unfortunate situation with Mr Wilder.
Could be our situation and that of Mr Wilder are close in some sort of base location.
What is supposed to be and what really happens can vary by location, that is, all Grand Lodges are not the same.
So happens the situation of Mr Wilder.



posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
Something by the Lodge Master is said to the candidate just before he approaches the alter for the obligations, as I stated, very important and relates to the unfortunate situation with Mr Wilder.

I don't think so, bub.


Could be our situation and that of Mr Wilder are close in some sort of base location.
What is supposed to be and what really happens can vary by location, that is, all Grand Lodges are not the same.


I didn't ask your opinion of Grand Lodges, I asked for the name of the Grand Lodge you claim is under the control of the 'rites.'

Your pal,
Meat.



posted on Jan, 18 2008 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by mmmeat

I didn't ask your opinion of Grand Lodges, I asked for the name of the Grand Lodge you claim is under the control of the 'rites.'


Perhaps you will have better luck where the remainder of us have not. I have repeatedly requested this information but I am only met by more preposterous claims and outlandish assertations.



posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 01:21 AM
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Stale meat makes bad bait, Now, As I have explained in the past, it can not for legal reasons, out the Grand Lodge or the Lodge location on this or any other open forum..
However, to those that have info. Take note that the Lodge along with the offending rite web sites have been removed!
This is progress!
By the way meat, you probably didnt understand what was said to you just before you approached the alter.




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posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 11:02 AM
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More shenanigans. You just can't let it go, can you? Don't you understand, that you've been exposed? Why is it some anti-masons hate us so much they make this sort of things up...you've been repeatedly asked for any proof of these allegations. You have provided none. Until such proof is provided, I must now assume you are lying. Your breaking so many parts of your obligation that I have little doubt that this is a lie.



posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
As I have explained in the past, it can not for legal reasons, out the Grand Lodge or the Lodge location on this or any other open forum.

Interesting.

So, what is the name of the Grand Lodge?

There is absolutely no 'legal reason' to not name the Grand Lodge.

Your pal,
Meat.



posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Edelweiss Pirate

In order to become a third-degree Mason, Wilder knew he would have to endure being beaten on his buttocks with a paddle by fellow Masons.




Honestly, I don't mean to offend the deceased. I am laughing at Masons in general right now.

Absolutely ridiculous. I understand there has probably already been an effort to deny deny deny, all of this. But man oh man. Funny stuff.

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posted on Jan, 25 2008 @ 04:31 PM
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Oh don't worry, we laugh at all the anti-masons on a _constant_ basis
So much entertainment, so little time...









 
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