Originally posted by African459
Uno my dad always told me.... A man is not a man unless he can keep a secret...
There's quite a bit more to being a man than that!
And keeping the 'secret's of a "fruity little club" doesn't make a person a
man, sorry to tell! Anyone can keep a secret, especially if its in their interest, ie keeps them part of some club that they like being in. THe idea
of it being manly to keep secrets is just a juxtaposition with the supposed negative and 'womanly' trait of gossiping.
All anyone's asked is whether or not your club doles out beatings as part of its 'initiation'. If its not 'manly' to talk about that, then,
really, what's the point? The question is whether or not Prince Hall lodges haze SnM, drinking fests, hanky-panky in the closet, or whatever, so what
can you possibly contribute to the conversation?
Has anyone bothered to contact this lodge? Has the PH organization mad a statement yet? Would there be an investigation? How would anyoneknowif
there was one? Does the lack of an investigation and the lack of any public statements affect the "regular" status of PH masonry?
Also, how can any of us on the outside determine if there is anything illegal going on if there is a conspiracy of silence within PH masonry, and
possibly within regular Masonry, in so far as if it knows if there is an investigation or not? THis is all very apporpro, considering that the Duke
University lacrosse team is fronting a conspiracy of silence and keeping their groups 'secrets' from the police and the very community that they
live within. (not to suggest that masonry or PH masonry is invovled in that).
Honor of my procession and the inegrity of its vitures prevent me speaking before all of the facts are in
What facts need to be brought in? Do you or does your organization haze its initiates? Also, the fact that you are 'waiting'for more facts to come
in here, when we have a young man who claims he was beaten and hazed with alcohol, goes out drinking with his fraters onenight, andthen ends up dead
the next morning, well, clearly, if there is no hazing in your organization, then that wouldn't be the case here no? But if there is a permisibility
to hazing, even if hazing isn't officially encouraged, but is generally known about and nothing is done, then that wouldn't require that more
information be brought in either. Its seems almost like you are in effect saying, hazing does occur, in some lodges, weneed to wait andsee if this is
one of those lodges.