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posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Helios Barca

Originally posted by Masonic Light
But the reality is this: it doesn't take a long time, and anyone who wants the degrees can get them all in a couple of weeks, at most. That's why we Masons keep saying that "high initiates" and "rank" have nothing to do with degrees. You yourself could join a one day class, and get the three Blue Lodge Degrees in one day. Then, the next weekend, you could go to the Scottish Rite Temple offering a one day class, and go all the way up to the 32°. The next weekend you could get all the York Rite degrees, and then become a Shriner the next.


While this is true, in America, it is not true elsewhere. For example in the United Kingdom, where the Scottish Rite is much smaller in number, it takes an incredibly long time to make your way through the scottish rite degrees, and virtually no one gets to the 20th, let alone the 32nd, degree. 33rd is unheard of so to speak.




Well what are they doing my friend? Do they have to learn a catechism for each degree? Why does it take so long in the UK? Are you saying that Americans aren't receiving legitimate degrees?




posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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No, it is just treated differently. There is an unfortunate tendancy in US masonry to get to the destination as fast as possible at the expense of the journey. Many US freemasons then retrace their steps to understand more about the degrees. There are many aspects of US freemasonry I admire greatly, but this is not one of them.

In the UK, and much of Europe, the journey is slower, with arguably a greater understanding at each stage before progression.

In the A&A freemasons enter at the 18th degree, after which the order is nicknamed (Rose Croix). After many years service they may expect to receive the 30th degree. Relatively few progress beyond this point. In England one must be a trinitarian Christian to join the order.



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by pudro5
You people seem to put so much faith into a Confederate officer from Arkansas(Pike), who definitely believed in the institution of slavery...and I can't seem to find a reason why this train of thought would be esteemed by any secret society that believes in making a good man better....what was good about slavery?...or at least fighting for it, as Pike did...


Pike was opposed to slavery, and had introduced legislation into the Confederate Congress that would gradually eliminate slavery over the course of twenty years (the motion was defeated).

Pike wrote much of slavery in his Letters To The Northern States, and his position on the subject was not ambiguous. Pike agreed with the northern critics that slavery was in itself immoral, even if the slaves are treated well. However, Pike also accused many of the northern industrialists of hypocrisy, because they liked to gain brownie points with the public by condemning southern slavery, even though their Industrial Revolution - era factories were practical slave labor shops for the working poor.

In his "Letters", Pike also mentioned that to free the slaves all immediately would be disastrous because they would have nowhere to go, their children would starve, and the economy would collapse. Pike's remedy was a rational one:

1. Abolish the actual slave trade immediately.
2. Begin to pay slaves wages.
3. Enact legislation making abuse of slaves a criminal offense.
4. Making all slave children free when they reach 25 years of age.

This would gradually phase out slavery without wrecking the economy or making thousands of people homeless.



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Helios Barca


While this is true, in America, it is not true elsewhere. For example in the United Kingdom, where the Scottish Rite is much smaller in number, it takes an incredibly long time to make your way through the scottish rite degrees, and virtually no one gets to the 20th, let alone the 32nd, degree. 33rd is unheard of so to speak.


Yes, that's true. However, that's sort of an English oddity. In the USA, from the very beginning of the Scottish Rite, it has never been a long and drawn out process. Pike himself went from the 4° to the 32° in less than five minutes, by taking a cover obligation administered by Albert Mackey.

In England, as I understand, instead of "joining the Scottish Rite", the brethren there speak more of "joining the Rose Croix".



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by Trinityman


In the UK, and much of Europe, the journey is slower, with arguably a greater understanding at each stage before progression.


But isn't it true that in England, the 4° through the 18° are conferred at the same time, and that the 18° is the only one actually worked?

In the USA, the 4° and 14° must also be conferred in full form. The major difference is that we allow all the degrees to be conferred upon all members, with the sole exception of the 33°, which is in recognition of service.



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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Masonic light please describe to me u'r avart.
What is the representation of it?
You know the sun the piramid.



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
Masonic light please describe to me u'r avart.
What is the representation of it?
You know the sun the piramid.


It is the jewel of the 14° of Scottish Rite Masonry, called "Lodge of Perfection".

The Greek letter Delta, which is a triangle, is representative of the Deity. The Compass represents the spiritual element, and the arc of the circle represents infinity. The sun in the center represents life and light.

In the United States, the 14° is the "primary degree" of the Scottish Rite, and monthly meetings of the Scottish Rite are held on the 14°.



posted on Mar, 10 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light
But isn't it true that in England, the 4° through the 18° are conferred at the same time, and that the 18° is the only one actually worked?

This is correct, although the 30th is also worked in full. Above that I have no idea if they are conferred or worked.



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