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Originally posted by undo
Actually, the usage of the word Elohim in that instance (there's a thorough treatment on this topic by a linguist and scholar of the ancient languages), is a reference to the supreme God or the God of the gods. He's having a conversation with the gods, who are the elohim (minor gods or angels or anunnaki, as it were).
I agree with your references to the vimanas, although the texts seem to indicate the gods and their hybrid offspring were the culprits, as humans were mere slaves and the occassional dinner.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I assume you've seen the odd hiroglyphs found at Abydos? The ones that appear to be a helicopter and various spaceships?
If you haven't seen them I'll see if I can find a photo. The official explanation is that the panel they're carved in was plastered over and re-used, so the image is a composite of two carvings. But from the photo's I've seen, it's hard to believe two overlapped carvings could make such perfect images if it wan't intended that way.
Originally posted by Muaddib
While we agree with the references in the vedic scriptures, we somehow disagree a bit with the meaning of Elohim. Elohim is plural, even though it has been translated from the bible as if it was singular. IMHO the Elohim are those ebes of higher hierarchy, while the Anunnaki are those ebes who rebelled against the Elohim because the Elohim wanted "the original sin" erased from the Earth.
Originally posted by undoThe first one you linked says: "Egypt has been subject to numerous infiltrations, contacts and colonisations, but to what extent newcomers contributed to the gene pool is not clear."
It sounds like whether the other is a text book example or not, they are reaching the same conclusions.
The second one says: "A biological affinities study based on frequencies of cranial nonmetric traits in skeletal samples from three cemeteries at predynastic Naqada, Egypt, confirms the results of a recent nonmetric dental morphological analysis. Both cranial and dental traits analyses indicate that the individuals buried in a cemetery characterized archaeologically as high status are significantly different from individuals buried in two other, apparently nonelite cemeteries and that the nonelite samples are not significantly different from each other."
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
These are the experts and you're claiming they are saying the skulls are normal. Or you personally believe they are normal?
Originally posted by undo
The problem is you're assuming the ancient texts were all fabrications. You're basing that assumption on three hundred years or so of engrained belief of the German High Critics, who basically decided if its an old text, and if it mentions a supernatural force, it must be a fabrication, a fairy tale, a myth.
I disagree. I think the ancient texts are historical. You don't. And there's the rub.
Originally posted by undo
Eye of the Sun Gods, the Watchers, with GI for having or forcing sexual intercourse. Same folks. Same bat time, same bat channel.
[edit on 10-3-2006 by undo]
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Originally posted by undo
Eye of the Sun Gods, the Watchers, with GI for having or forcing sexual intercourse. Same folks. Same bat time, same bat channel.
[edit on 10-3-2006 by undo]
But they didn't speak English.
"I" didn't corelate with "eye" for them. Or watch, for that matter.
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Well, no.
The first says that as people of different races and cultures came into Egypt, we see some of their traits being passed through the population.
The evidence of the skull shapes shows this change in influence. In the 1700 BC time period, the Lybians came in along with the Semetics (and so there were changes in face and body proportions among the nobles.) After 800 BC or so, the Nubians came to rule Egypt and their skull and body shapes and traits dominated the royal line due to all the inbreeding.
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Well, no.
I realize that there probably are very few readers here with a degree in ancient world history and literature.
So how many of those tales can you name?
But I'm open to correction, of course. If you have links to ancient texts that show it was a real thing and commonly practiced, I'd love to see links to the original tales.
Originally posted by undo
Have you read Michael S. Heiser's explanation for the singular case of Elohim in the passage? It's a single individual speaking in the Royal "us" voice. He is speaking to His "court", the other elohim, the angels who were created by Elohim (singular).
'One day, Abraham having come to the age of twelve years, his father said to him: "Tomorrow is the festival of all the gods; therefore we shall go to the great temple and bear a present to my god, great Baal. And thou shalt choose for thyself a god, for thou art of age to have a god."
Originally posted by undo
He goes into much more explanation but i find it credible, not only because it was the voice of the verses surrounding it and following it, but also because the ancient Egyptians had a One God concept as well. I think these are all going back to the beginning, but have been intermixed along the way, so that various cultures that had spread out around the globe, added their own flavour if you will. Also, the Anunnaki intervened and created a mess of things.
"When the gods created Mankind
Death for Mankind they allotted,
Life they retained in their own keeping."
Originally posted by undo
For example, they didn't help us. Does it help us to know how to kill each other more efficiently, how to pollute the earth in order to make weapons to kill each other more efficiently? Does wild sex help anyone? It spreads disease and creates children whose parents don't want to raise them. Put it into context: How much did they actually help us?
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Well, no.
The first says that as people of different races and cultures came into Egypt, we see some of their traits being passed through the population.
Are you choosing to ignore that he says it's "not clear" to what extent or even which interbreeding could've caused the anomalies with the skulls?
The evidence of the skull shapes shows this change in influence. In the 1700 BC time period, the Lybians came in along with the Semetics (and so there were changes in face and body proportions among the nobles.) After 800 BC or so, the Nubians came to rule Egypt and their skull and body shapes and traits dominated the royal line due to all the inbreeding.
How? None of the other races had skulls like that either.
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Originally posted by undo
Eye of the Sun Gods, the Watchers, with GI for having or forcing sexual intercourse. Same folks. Same bat time, same bat channel.
[edit on 10-3-2006 by undo]
But they didn't speak English.
"I" didn't corelate with "eye" for them. Or watch, for that matter.
The actual translation is "Those who watch" but with the glyph for intercourse in the word, I think there's more to it than watching.
And Igi is (inu, eye). Believe me, I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't researched it. You can see it here: psd.museum.upenn.edu...
Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Indellkoffer
Well, no.
I realize that there probably are very few readers here with a degree in ancient world history and literature.
So how many of those tales can you name?
But I'm open to correction, of course. If you have links to ancient texts that show it was a real thing and commonly practiced, I'd love to see links to the original tales.
But there is mention of it.
In the bible it makes references to the killing of the first born of Egypt.
There's a reason for that and it isn't because they stand to inherit. If that were the case, the next eligible inheritor in the family would step up and the problem (and just what was the problem?) would still not be solved..
In the Book of Enoch and the bible it references the Watchers doing the wild thang with the females in the populace. And I already mentioned Epic of Gilgamesh, so you can't count that out.
Slave girls and concubines had no rights, so they essentially could be, at any time, subject to carrying the baby of a royal. Of course, such a child would never inherit the throne unless none of the other eligible inheritors were alive.
Originally posted by gogo
would anyone need a 'stargate' if they had anti-gravity technology capable of bending spacetime such that in effect there is no distance between two locations?