remember my theory (which zorgon, btw, originally suggested as regards mars and a gate), was that the big gate in the persian gulf (and potentially others in big bodies of water on earth) was siphoning water from another body of water, off planet, in particular mars. because in the legend of the destruction of mankind, the water is said to be "red", which could've been a reference to water from mars. it's a longshot but would explain where mars water went and how we ended up with a flood of gigantic proportions. two civilizations, one stone.

also, if you remember my theory, the big abzu gate was the equivalent of the eye of ra in the legend of the destruction of mankind. it was the most powerful eye on the planet it says, so i'm thinking it must be a reference to how big it was. most of the gates appeared to smaller. the persian gulf abzu though, would've been huge.

so the image that even looks like the stargate tv show gate (above) in cuneiform symbololgy, which in old babylonian and akkadian meant flood, is a big clue. i think, anyway.

Brilliant! I didn't think I would be saying "Why didn't I think of this" twice in a twenty four hour period!

I was on the right track with my hairdryer interpretation of the symbol. My other guess was "water vortex" but that was close to the toilet bowl analogy, so I went with a hairdryer.

So. We have an ancient symbol for a flood that could mean that the water was brought here. Then, on the mainstream TV (History Channel) they talk about natural stargate in the Bermuda triangle. Hmmmm.

Does anybody know why I can't give more stars to undo's previous post?



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Originally posted by tungus
Brilliant! I didn't think I would be saying "Why didn't I think of this" twice in twenty four hour period!

I was on the right track with my hairdryer interpretation of the symbol. My other guess was "water vortex" but that was close to the toilet bowl analogy, so I went with a hairdryer.

So. We have an ancient symbol for a flood that could mean that the water was brought here. Then, on the mainstream TV (History Channel) they talk about natural stargate in the Bermuda triangle. Hmmmm.

Does anybody know why I can't give more stars to undo's previous post?

the new system for stars is each person is allowed to give one star. the other way was being abused, apparently.

Omg! Kids, stargate is only a movie!!! Only a bored housewife without any real knowledge and too much time can write such B.S.
Its not about reading one or even few books, it takes years of hard work before u can say something about history of humans. I know about that because im archeologist. Mediterranean specialisation.
There is only one reason that i choosed that path in my life, when i was a kid i was reading Daniken, Sitchin and many others and i belived them, in some ways i still belive them... There are many mysteries in history, even conspirations to hide mistakes of famous "scientists" but one thing i can tell for sure, there was no such thing as stargate! Even if such thing exists it never had anything to do with sumer, egypt or any other civilisation known to us! Belive me, and if u dont belive, then go to school and after many ears of hard work u will go there to work even more (maybe even in Iraq) and u will see it on your eyes. Cities of mud bricks and artifacts that arent best, even civilisations with fewer resources did better jewelry or sculptures...
Its all mundane. It was big and advanced civilisation but nothing wierd or E.T. was involved. Only humans. All that myths and religion u r talking about, it was evolving with years, read first egyptian beliefs for example, u will see what im talking about... Im sure that we should search, but searching means hard work and studying not fantasies without real knowledge!

Originally posted by arhe69
Omg! Kids, stargate is only a movie!!!

Uh-oh. A main-streamer. Obviosly has not read the first pages of the thread.

Its not about reading one or even few books, it takes years of hard work before u can say something about history of humans.
I know about that because im archeologist. Mediterranean specialisation.

We also read books only we have a different take on them.

There are many mysteries in history, even conspirations to hide mistakes of famous "scientists" but one thing i can tell for sure, there was no such thing as stargate!

Would you recognize a stargate if you found one?

Even if such thing exists it never had anything to do with sumer, egypt or any other civilisation known to us! Belive me, and if u dont belive, then go to school and after many ears of hard work u will go there to work even more (maybe even in Iraq) and u will see it on your eyes. Cities of mud bricks and artifacts that arent best, even civilisations with fewer resources did better jewelry or sculptures...

I think you have been looking at mud buildings a little too much. But we are not talking of the mud immitations of the slaves that served the gods.

... Im sure that we should search, but searching means hard work and studying not fantasies without real knowledge!

Agreed... there are people that will believe in anything. The problem is that we in the present day are so far removed from the experience of the ancient Sumerians (even the late Sumerians were removed from the events they were describing) that it is very hard to sort out the fact from the fiction. Just as it is wrong to believe anything it is equally wrong to dismiss their gods as "mythology" of superstitious primitives. If we can look past the mud buildings, that is...
Remember it was the inconsistencies in classical physics that led to the discovery of the quantum physics.

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Yeah, alot of egyptologists aren't looking at it from the point that the stories represented real people and things at one time. they're assuming it's all make believe (at least, until they end up digging it up.... gilgamesh was a fairy tale till one day somebody found his city, etc).

Ok. Ill try to explain this. I dont speak english everyday so sorry for mistakes...
What u are talking about is religion. Religion was for these people like science to us, answers. Why stars are on the sky, why river floods... It is natural that some rulers, priests and others say that they have connection to "god", either they are descendants, relatives, friends, lovers... Even kings in medieval europe had their power from god, omg damn pope also, even now, is "choosen by god"... Does it means that E.T. are involved? Or maybe that some people are stupid and belive everything and others tell them everything to get more power? Do you know how many ziggurats and pyramids that never got finished stands there? They arent finished because of mistakes, peoples where learning how to build them, many many years... Same with beliefs, that sumerian stories for example evolved from others, its process that took even thousands of years! All ancient civilisations (south america, egypt, sumer) had large and amazing knowledge about stars and astronomy but its not so amazing when u think about the fact that they had thousands of years for observation of skies, priests that passed they knowledge to younger priests etc.
And now there is amount of knowledge large enough to track those myths, arhitecture and other things almost to places where it all started... In most cases... We live on this planet very long time, tens of thousands of years so it is logical to me that some civilisations could achieve really much and faded away in time. Its not hard to make baloon or even simple flying machines. Maybe there was a contact with E.T., because they are somewhere there for sure, but i think that its better to think about advanced and really old civilizations than aliens...

ps
And about recognizing a stargate, yes. Such things are really standing out among mud bricks and pottery...

Originally posted by arhe69
Ok. Ill try to explain this. I dont speak english everyday so sorry for mistakes...
What u are talking about is religion.

The ancient texts were historical. They wrote down what they saw and did. Not my fault if you don't believe the collected works of every race on the planet. You can blame that on German Higher Criticism.

Historical? Just like Bible for example? Like all other religions and writings? Yes it can be "historical" like u say, maybe pope is choosen by god that sits on a throne in mothership... Why u quoted only part of my post? Rest is to hard to reply? I was hoping that u have something to say but i see that u are just a person that belives something, actually its like religion to you... You just belive, without knowledge...
Its not something that was written in one night, it evolved in hundreds if not thousands of years!!! Its not story about aliens, its religion! It would be historical if written "in one night" not over hundreds of years... Yes, its true that some of persons could really live, but power always comes from gods, demons or whathever people that rule say to legitimate their right to rule... Did u ever read greek mythology Undo? Is it historical too? And if not, why? E.T. surely had base on mount Olympus... Religion is needed like science, peoples are always afraid of things that are unexplained or unknown so they need answers. You should read more... Ill try to find all that i can about that and send you some links... But im afraid that u dont need knowledge, u want to belive that because its something more or less beautiful...

Yes, Greek "myths" are historical and/or historically-based. That's the key. What people do with the information later, does not discount the actual events.

For example, if you read the "Legend of the Destruction of Mankind", an egyptian text, you will find that both Ra and Hathor have been made into personifications of "things." Hathor is the Eye of Ra. The Eye of Ra was a thing, not an actual "eye" but a thing and Hathor was that thing. Egyptologists just look at that story and shrug their shoulders. See if you look at representations and read the back history of Hathor, you can tell right away, something's missing. How did the goddess of Love earn the title goddess of Terror? She had the "Terror" title before she had the "Love" title. It's little things such as this that people just skim over under the pretext that it's all make believe. But if you do the research, follow the artifacts back as far as you can, and treat these stories with respect, as if these events have rhyme and reason beyond the metaphorical whitewash, you can find the connections all over ancient history. IT's a mammoth undertaking.

Let me give you another example. The word "Abydos" (Egypt) is actually greek. The original word was "Abdju" (in egyptian). The egyptians pronounced "DJ" as a "Z", so the word would've been "Abzu".
The Abzu was under Enki's temple in Eridu, Iraq. If you know anything about Abydos and the mainstream approach to the topic, you'll see why that is relevant.

Enki's temple at Eridu was called several things, including the E.Engurra, the E.Abzu, and the E.Nun. I would like to direct your attention to the latter, the E.Nun. If you know what I'm talking about, you'll see why this is relevant as well.

I'll leave it at that and see if you know what I'm talking about first. If you don't, then I'll explain it, if you do, then you should begin to see where I'm going with this and it isn't never-never-land.

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The following line from Enki and Ninmah, sounds as if its missing a birth goddess. In all, there were at least 6 and most likely 7. My theory is that these are the "7 sisters" . If you've been following my Eden gate theory, that we were brought here through a star gate from somewhere in the Great Square of Pegasus, then allow me to add to this that there may have been 7 such gates, represented as the 7 sisters/birth goddesses. The gates were personified. Hathor, in Egypt, represented one of these sisters (gates). So either her name is the missing one in the list, or she was otherwise known by one of the other birthgoddess names. Here's the relevant quote from the story:

Let Ninmah act as your assistant; and let Ninimma, Cu-zi-ana, Ninmada, Ninbarag, Ninmug, ...... and Ninguna

Ninmah is the only one actually birthing but the birth goddesses are delivering the children. If they were personifications of the gates, this would make sense. The problem is more in regards to the location of the 7 sisters. It's in Taurus, not in the Great Square itself, which is rather confusing. Does this mean the 7 sisters just represented the gates but weren't actually part of the as above so below mapping of the stars onto the surface of the earth? i dunno. More research necessary.

If they were a direct reference to actual locations in the heavens (the 7 sisters), this would be quite a distance from the Great Square, especially if you consider constellations are just 2dimensional representations and many of the stars in any given constellation are in fact, separated in 3d space by many many light years. In fact, there could even be stars in the Great Square that are closer to stars in the 7 sisters, than the stars in the given constellations themselves. It's all a flat vault from our earthly perspective, but when you look at it from a star program, it's a whole different animal.

Anyway, there's a possible biblical connection as well. The 7 heads of the Great Dragon/Beast/ etc. I haven't fully connected it yet, but there's something there.

This line probably could've been translated in several ways:
You should knead clay from the top of the abzu;
the birth-goddesses (?) will nip off the clay and you shall bring the form into existence

in modern lingo it might've said:
you should make or open more abzus, more gates and then you can bring more slaves here through the gates.



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Originally posted by arhe69
Why u quoted only part of my post? Rest is to hard to reply?

Because he's already prooved you wrong so there is no need to quote all of the hogwash you took your time to attempt to enlighten us with. Obviously this thread is to discuss the facts about stargates and not to give a book report about some ridiculous fairy tale. We also don't need to hear your life story about how you attempt to interpret the remains of ancient civilization's septic tanks. Congrats to you, you are payed to touch old feces. Now if there is nothing constructive to say why not continue your expedition in search of the next great mud block. By the way, when you get to America, try checking out Nellis air force range in Nevada. There is proof a stargate exists there.

I had this theory a while ago that the chevrons on the gate were symbollized in Akkadian images of Enki as the fish in the streams that are flowing from his shoulders. It's interesting to note here that "Nin" is translated "Sister" and "Ninda" is translated "bull", so we may see an early reference in the root words to Taurus the Bull and the 7 sisters (the Pleiades). This could also be yet another connection to Hathor (who was represented wearing a disk surmounted by bull's horns).

The reason I'm bringing this up is, in the Epic of Gilgamesh it says the Bull of Heaven wreaked havoc. First it did something that would be the equivalent of a huge vaccuum cleaner (a wormhole) and then switched to behaving like a giant faucet. This lead me to believe the Bull of Heaven was a reference to a gate, engaging on one end as a siphon, and on the other end as a drain (water on Mars gets siphoned to Earth through the gate). It could still be one gate, but how much more effective would it be if these particular gates were in the various places on the planets (both Earth and Mars, 7 there, 7 here). This would, however, throw a wrench in the absolute description of Hathor as a solitary gate, just as the Eye of Ra was the most powerful "eye" on the planet. Most powerful suggests it is singular but among others. So Hathor represents only one part of the gate system. Did it do all that damage by itself?

At this point, I'm guessing the answer is no. The Legend of the Destruction of Mankind is only describing one facet out of seven, I theorize, at this point, anyway.

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I honestly don't mean to be rude

but taking ancient/not so ancient religious stories, and then trying to build a new belief: stargates are real around them

quite ambitious, but you guys are thourough it may work

before you ask, yes I read most of the thread

but no I didn't find any evidence in it

The things the archaeologist said earlier today, well,

you would trust a doctor to cut into your flesh because he studied for 4 years, yet you think an experienced archaeologist won't see the difference between a mud brick and a stargate