I'm still not terribly fond of the monkey theory. But to be fair, can you link me up to that info, the Tibetan info, that is?
I was just telling the story the way I heard it. I couldn't find exactly my rendering on the web but I found something, although the roles are
reversed, meaning Avalokiteshvara (the male) is the one mating with an ogress...
In any case, we have an animal creature being "upgraded" by sort of divine intervention.
"A second origin myth asserts that Tibetan people descended from a male
monkey. The monkey, an incarnate of the "Compassionate Spirit" deity
Avalokitesvara, met and married a mountain ogress. Eventually,
Avalokitesvara and the mountain ogress proudced six offspring. The
"hybrid monkeys"
resembled Avalokitesvara. Over time, the Tibetan descendants of these
six offspring gradually lost any
remaining animal features. Tibetan people trace certain characteristics
of modern humans to Avalokitesvara and the mountain ogress. People who
are "merciful, intelligent, [. . .] sensitive and do not talk more than
necesary" inherited such traits from Avalokitesvara. Meanwhile, those
Tibetans that are "red-faced, fond of sinful pursuits, and very
stuboorn" resemble the mountain ogress (Shakabpa 5). Adherents to the
monkey origin myth rely on ancient documents discovered in a Lhasa
temple by Atisha, an Indian scholar. The myth documents claimed to have
been written "according to tradition during the reign of Songsten Gampo
in the seventh century" by a scholar named Shankara Pati. (Shakabpa 5)."
www.tibet.ca...
In this one from Wikipedia, we have the monkey banging a rock and it's even wilder, this is news to me:
"Mythological origins
The first Tibetan king, Nyatri Tsanpo (Wylie: Gnya'-khri-btsan-po), is supposed to have descended from the sky, or immigrated to Tibet from India.
Because of his strange physical features such as having webbed hands, and eyes which close from below, he is supposed to have been greeted by the
locals as a god. The king remained connected to the heavens with a rope and rather than dying ascended the same rope again.
The legendary King Drigum Tsenpo (Dri-gum-brtsan-po) provoked his groom Longam (Lo-ngam) to fight with him, and during the fight the King's
heaven-cord was cut, he was also killed. Drigum Tsenpo and subsequent kings left corpses and were buried.[3]
In a later myth, first attested in the Maṇi bka' 'bum the Tibetan people are the progeny of the union of a monkey and rock ogress. The Monkey in
fact a manifestation of the bodhisattva Avalokiteśvara (Tib. Spyan-ras-gzigs) and the ogress in fact the goddess Tara (Tib. 'Grol-ma)."
en.wikipedia.org...
[edit on 1-4-2007 by tungus]
[edit on 1-4-2007 by tungus]