Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Matyas
i don't have any problem with the idea of mammalians creating civilizations, i just don't think they were homo sapians (although the word itself is
based on the idea we were evolved apes, which i'm not convinced of). i'm just trying to show that there were many mammalian species, humanoid in
appearance, on this planet, but they weren't human beings. that we didn't arrive here ourselves, until around 4000 BC, shang haied as it were, and
brought here from other places in the universe, as a slave species.
it shouldn't be too far of a stretch considering our science is finally admitting life is possible on other planets. and that there's many planets
in our galaxy alone, capable of sustaining life forms similar to those found here.
Undo...I know you think you believe what you are saying is the truth or a line pointing to it....but what you are reporting is not just thematically
incorrect, it is scientifically unsound. IMO, your theory, doesnt even make the bar for the use of that word. Your speculations are biased, and a
compilation of expectations not research. I have also made this mistake personally and productivly, in the past so please consider this post for what
it is..a warning from upstream that doing that is a waste and can be dangerous as you mis or sidestep other perspectives and that is a' loss'.
What you are saying in your posts is full of holes. The first of which is that your posts ignore the fact that DARWIN DID NOT SAY HOMOSAPIENS
DESCENDED FROM APES!
Darwin was a scientist and as such, SPECULATED and THEORISED that humans and apes had a COMMON ANCESTOR ! Something later prooven by DNA and Genetic
research and bought into context
by the revelation in the scientific world that nearly ALL life on this planet stems from the same pool of
(GTAC) DNA and RNA.
Therefore ALL life is in some way interconnected and in some cases, derivitive.....but... we are not ''decended" from or the 'acendants' of ants
or guinea pigs anymore than we are the acendants/decendants of Apes.
Nor are we, as homosapiens, a seperate or distinct species deviod of that connection, the evidence, the science prooves that too. We arent
'special' or an extraterrestrial slave race. If we were there would be evidence within our genetic linages, our DNA RNA structures that proove it.
There is no such evidence except as it is taken via the sociological structres that WE humans ourselves have created such as royal familes etc..
If we came from space..as is possible according to panspermia theories..then ALL life here originated there...that doesnt mean little green fish men
deposited that life here and us here later.
The distinctions between fact and fiction, truth and suposition is pivitol and the connected web of life on this planet through genetics and the
existance of DNA makes an enormous scientific difference and that makes ALL the difference to your interpretations!
Your 'evidence' cant be refuted because it is speculative..opinion based, not fact based..you are also drawing strings of physical and
sociopolitical literalcy and spirital symbolism together like a purse - one suited to your own desires. Which is all well and good so long as you are
not postulating a theory as fact!
More though, you are encapsulating ideas and theories that dont fit together with pseudoscientific presumptions and your personal interests - what you
want to see think and believe. You are drawing your conclusions prior to research, and ones based on misinterpretation and false judgment, like
joining jots..no...more like joining lines between the stars in the sky to form the picture you want to see...and expect to see. It is not fact.
Doesnt make it real or fact.
A great story for a fiction book yes..but it is not fact.
And 'they' the papalcy, governments, even scientists dont deterime FACT either. They cannot force even one single human brain to capitulate against
its will, let alone an entire world..HISTORY prooves that.
They never have had that power you personally are giving them.
The history of the enlightenment was the first time human beings really began to challenege and clarify 'belief' and 'science'. In the 18th
bcentury they embraked on a mission to KNOW...not to FEAR. If you knew your actual history you would know that this was the epoch in which the papalcy
LOST its power..not gained it.
As is written:
"The Enlightenment was not one movement or idea, and less a set of ideas than it was a set of values. At its core was a critical questioning of
traditional institutions, customs, and morals, and a strong belief in rationality and science"
The keyword in that statement being CRITICAL as in CRITICAL analysis of information...not suposition and conjecture, not ego based posturing. Your way
of 'researching', would lead us back to an intellectual dark age of mystisism and suposition if not outright superstiction, back to religions rule
I choose another way.
The evidence - like truth, speaks for itself
, and the evidence
living here on this planet, farming,
herding, forming societies and family groups just like ours today, for over 200,000 years with relative periods of mental, technological and
psychospirital awakening and quickening.
Deny that if you like....its your right and choice I supose. Just dont call it truth.
TV is not real or some kind of a subconscious projection of hidden mythos's. Even documentry's are biased.
To actualy comprehend the truth on its terms not our minds, we have to think. And after going through this thread I see lots of thoughts being strung
like lights on a tree.. but no thinking going on...a shame. To me it is a case of missing the amazing forrest for the trees and such a waste as
exohistory is a valid field struggling for funding and resources and people like you whoa re to my mind, deliberatly misleading others, just
complicate and undermine its credibility.
If you want the 'real' unvarnished truth then Know whats right in front of your face. Its as simple and as difficult as that...a study undertaken
deviod of egotism and prejduice.
The connections being made in your head..arent necessarily the reality of whats in front of your face....and thats the first thing you need to 'get'
if you want to take this 'theory' or investigation any further.