Originally posted by undo
it had something to do with spinning water at the speed of light, would produce a wormhole. something about it becoming infinitely heavy or something.

Such a wormhole/black hole would not resemble water once it had formed. Remember a black hole has no hair meaning if you crushed water into a black hole and crushed a star into a black hole both black holes would look exactly the same.

Zorgon's explanation seems more consistant. So basically there is a mirage around the event horizon because of the heat from Hawking radiation. I'm I correct?

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by stuffofnightmares
ok you think stargates exist... share with me some enlightening evidence you have on your theory, and, if a stargate was available to the public, how much would be on the price tag??

Ancient history is a good place to start. Have you noticed how about 300 years ago or thereabouts, all our ancient history texts were basically ruled unreliable because they mentioned "supernatural" events? All religious texts, (many of which were historical texts that were simply labelled "religious"), except the hieroglyphs from ancient Egypt, were said to be falsehoods. Using the hieroglyphs, they attempted to set a timeline for ancient history, but ignored everything else. That was a big mistake.

Nearly every ancient civilization refers to a place called the "underworld" and a place called the heavens, both of which appear to be more than simply metaphors for the planets and stars rising and setting into and over the horizon. The ancient Hindus and some of the Buddhists, said the only way to access the upper levels of heaven was via Mt. Meru (also called Mt. Sumeru), which wasn't an actual mountain but a reference to a ziggurat in ancient Sumer (this is the pivotal point, but I don't want to overload your circuits with too much information if you aren't aware of any of these ancient stories). The ancient egyptians also believed in an entrance to the underworld and a boat which travelled on heavenly waters (et.al, a mode of transportation) which carried them into the heavens. The ancient sumerians referred to otherworldly places which were accessed via gateways into the underworld, and gates up to the heavens.

I guess it all depends on how much you know about ancient civilizations and their texts. Do you know anything about ancient Sumer?

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Well, the second I saw this post I knew the "Ancient Sumerian Godmen" were on your mind... more commonly known at the "Alpha Draconians" or a similar reptilian race, of whom rivaled the "Aryn" race.. Known commonly as the Plaedians, or Nordics, etc.

I don't know about stargates being real though. Perhaps there is a wormhole-like system to traverse space and time somehow, but I highly dispute it being a "stargate" in the tradition sense of one.

I'd like some proof, please.

How do the 'jump rooms' factor into this concept?

In case I'm being too obscure, I am referring to the proposed 'connectivity' of an 'anchored' (these are my guesses at the terms) wormhole, or 'gate' connection between a point on Earth and a point on Mars (possibly on other planets/places as well?)??

Much has been mentioned of these 'rooms'....yet, they've been described as just having a door that closes, and opens (like an elevator, for example). Nothing about watery appearances, at least not in these instances.

Clarifications???

thegagefather

black hole/white hole/worm hole. i think it'd be best to have a clarification of the differences (if any).

people who post here asking for proof without at least reading the thread, are doing themselves and the other posters a disservice.

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I'd like to post something which at first might not seem to have anything to do with this thread, but I think it does. I don't have any proof of the event so please don't ask. But if you could entertain the story for a minute, just as a thought experiment, I'd appreciate it. It has to do with the UFO my wife witnessed a while back, more specifically it's flight characteristics.

She saw this luminous spherical thing in the air. After viewing for a few seconds it started to 'sparkle' with random points of light all around it. Then the object/glowing light elongated to what she called a spear or arrowhead shape on one side while the opposite side became smaller. It then 'zipped' a short distance one direction and stopped, then zipped in another perpendicular direction and stopped, did this a couple of more times extremely fast, then zipped a longer distance and disappeared in the sky.

Now, thinking on the subject of 'stargates', how we would percieve them, what the effects would be like, etc, I keep coming back to hyperspace/higher dimensions... The idea of adding an extra axis ('w'+) to our 3 dimensional x, y, z axes. What would that look like? How would we perceive it?

We see in 2D and intuitively extrapolate 3D (depth) from secondary effects such as forshortening, changes in size/shape in relation to other known objects, shadows, etc. What would an object look like to us as it travelled along the 'w' axis? I would think it depends on what axis your viewing the object from.

I imagine looking into and travelling through a 'stargate/wormhole' or even a blackhole is the same as looking down and travelling down the 'w' axis (or another non-x, y, z axis depending on the dimensionality, ie- 'v', 'u', etc). I'm speaking of Euclidean space, not relativity's time/space.

So any object entering a 'stargate' would simply change shape/become distorted along any plane of the x, y, z axes as it approached that 'gate', and then simply disappear as it entered 4D+ space. And once the object entered 4D+ space it could travel along the 'w'+ axis like a shortcut between two determined points on the x, y, z axes?

If so, then god forbid you should open your eyes if you were the object travelling through 4D+ space, as I'd imagine you would be so overwhelmed with input that you wouldn't be able to make sense of anything, (I bet it would make you violently ill, or worse).

Of course this is all speculation... until we build one and test it out. Got some ideas on that.

Originally posted by Flux8

Now, thinking on the subject of 'stargates', how we would percieve them, what the effects would be like, etc, I keep coming back to hyperspace/higher dimensions... The idea of adding an extra axis ('w'+) to our 3 dimensional x, y, z axes. What would that look like? How would we perceive it?

We see in 2D and intuitively extrapolate 3D (depth) from secondary effects such as forshortening, changes in size/shape in relation to other known objects, shadows, etc. What would an object look like to us as it travelled along the 'w' axis? I would think it depends on what axis your viewing the object from.

We live in 3d X/Y/Z.
I don't belive the 4th of 4d or X/Y/Z/W is time.

The best that I have heard it explained is to look down to a 2d world X/Y.
We can understand it.

In a 2D world you live within a piece of paper.
Pass a pencil threw it sharped tip first.
As it passed threw your 2d world you would only see what was passing threw the flat surface that you lived within.
In the beginning small dot would appear.
It would get bigger then remain stable for a while.
Then Zap it would be gone.

Do this youself with a peice of paper.
got a handle on it?
NOW ---
Turn the pencle at a 45 degree angle to the papers serface.
Push it threw the page.
It would change significatly to the 2d person.
It would move threw the 2d world changing shape the entire time.
My god if you lived on a 4" by 6" file card.
You would think that it flew off into eternity as it ripped threw to the edge of your existence in just an instant!
But its still the same object.


In a 3d world i would think we might see a dot & it would grow larger.
If it was oddly shaped it might tear off in all sorts of directions.
If it were curvy it might tear around like a drunken Slayer.
If it had multilevel points.
God help us trying to make seance of it.

Try your 2d experiment with a opened pair if scissors.
2 small elongated points that get larger moveing closer & closer.
Then join to make 1 large elongated point.

Turn the scissors at a 45 degree angle to the paper & its impossible to explain passing it threw the 2d world.

Can we even imagin if a large 4d craft or object were to pass threw our 3d world.

(Cool... maybe the UFO stuff is just something that just fell off gods desktop.)

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By simply talking threw this experiment I have helped myself.
I have had trouble thinking threw some of the UFO stuff I have seen.
It might be a 4d object.

I hope it helps you as much as it did me.

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