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Nukes for Mangos - Total Concessions favor INDIA

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posted on Mar, 4 2006 @ 06:34 PM
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Re: Prez visit to India.
The outcome, as we know, .....

India gets to buy Nuclear materials
US promises not to practice any trade protectionism
US promises to double offshoring of jobs to India
US promises to raise the H-1B cap

What does the USA get in return?
Permission to buy mangos.
and more Americans will get acquainted with the unemployment lines

You guys are the conspiracy experts. What, may I ask, in the hell is going on?




posted on Mar, 4 2006 @ 07:09 PM
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Globalisation and the free market economy. Don't you just love capitalism?



posted on Mar, 4 2006 @ 08:16 PM
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ANd the other option to Globalization and the free market economy is...
Communism
Socialism
Protectionism?

They worked really well.

Name a flowering protectionist economy. They don't exist.
Face it folks, we are a world economy. You can't protect economies any more.



posted on Mar, 4 2006 @ 08:24 PM
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You can't protect economies anymore, I agree. So stop complaining when it doesn't go your way.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by crmanager
Name a flowering protectionist economy.


India

www.itpaa.org...

The Nukes for Mangos Trade Agreement demands no concessions from India. India gets to continue it's own protectionism. Appears I posted into a hostile forum. Correct me if I'm wrong - I believe that free trade vs. fair trade belongs in the PTS economic forum.

The question is, "What does the US get in return [for the Nukes for Mangos Trade Agreement]? Appears nothing. What is the conspiracy behind, the Nukes for Mangos Trade Agreement, where "We owe India our jobs?"

Restated: Why is the US so beholden to India that we give India a one sided trade agreement totally in their favor?



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 08:18 AM
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There are two emerging economies in Asia / Pacific; India and China. By making a partnership of such nature it places India as the direct competitor of China in the regian, and not the U.S.

We have a choice: Partner with a large and poor, yet stable democracy or a communist nation.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by crisko


We have a choice: Partner with a large and poor, yet stable democracy or a communist nation.


I would choose the worlds largest democracy over a communist nation any day. If we want to increase partnership with one of these two possible future superpowers the choice would be clear for the US IMO.

Democracy aint perfect but its light years ahead of communism



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Adonsa
Restated: Why is the US so beholden to India that we give India a one sided trade agreement totally in their favor?


Maybe its some sort of atonement for the other FTA's that are totally in the U.S's favour like the 2005 Aus/U.S FTA.

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With a growing China quickly gaining power, having India on side also makes good strategic sense.

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posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Adonsa
Re: Prez visit to India.
The outcome, as we know, .....

India gets to buy Nuclear materials
US promises not to practice any trade protectionism
US promises to double offshoring of jobs to India
US promises to raise the H-1B cap

What does the USA get in return? and more Americans will get acquainted with the unemployment lines

You guys are the conspiracy experts. What, may I ask, in the hell is going on?


Adonsa,
I'm surprised at your ignorance!
Apart from the geo politics of counter balancing China etc etc, there's a huge economic angle to it.

Not just mangoes dude. There's billions of dollars at stake here. Just look at the companies India is dealing with and will shortly. And that's gonna give you guys jobs and dough.

Lockheed
Hughes
GE
Walmart
Boeing
Citigroup
AIG
IBM
HP
Procter & Gamble
Dell
Exxon Mobil
Microsoft
Sun micro
Etc, etc, etc, to name a handful.
Plus companies to be involved in construction of nuclear power reactors amounting to Billions of dollars.

Man, thats a lot of $$$$$$$ for the Americans!
And for starters, $12,000,000,000 worth of F-16/F-18 that the Americans are 'palming' off to India in exchange for signing on the dotted line. (Have you counted the zeroes correctly??)
And $30 billion (!) to Boeing for their 7 series of passenger aircraft.

Oh man, that's worth a lot o' mangoes eh?
So for Christ's, get to know the facts before posting.

Cheers! Have some delicious Indian mango juice!!




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posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 11:47 AM
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Mr. Singh, I replied to your message at this message thread:
politics.abovetopsecret.com...
It appears that my query about a conspiracy will not be answered.

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posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 01:54 PM
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And people keep saying there is SO MANY GOOD JOBS in America yet there IS NOT. They say they are moving all jobs towards more "advanced" technical abilities for americans.... well they just shipped them all out again. Anyone who still thinks this country has plenty of good jobs for americans if they just get a colledge degree need to be hit across the head with a baseball bat. People cant afford colledge anymore and taking out loans is a sure fire way of getting yourself caught in a trap in the long run. So far the only "great" jobs I see are at walmart and mcdonalds the rest are yet to be seen.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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Well I guess that the Assault on middle class American is really going very strong.

So what else is for us the tax payer workers and the supporters of our economy?

People worry about immigrant workers taking away jobs and putting a burden to our health care and social services.

Now we have our government handling American's jobs to middle eastern countries in a silver platter.

So now what everybody that is against migrant workers thing about this one,

It's not way you can put a wall to the borders on this littler giver away.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 10:57 PM
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I would say outsourcing is a larger threat than immigration, immigration is easy to solve if you take the time to focus on it. Outsourcing is a whole new ball game, cheaper labor than even immigrants, get to do it in a country with 0 restrictios... dream come true for corporations. Question is what is everyone going to do about it? I think standing in the unemployment line and watching it get longer would make people think.



posted on Mar, 5 2006 @ 11:02 PM
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This move is also an interesting counter to the proposed oil bourse that Iran is trying to get going where India would have been a major part of. I wonder now if India will tell Iran to get bent or what?

Plus as mentioned India is a growing economic power and the US has to hedge their bets against China somehow. Although US-China trade isn't exactly going to suffer over this.

I would also look at it from this pov. Given the trouble the US and the west has with Islamic Nations, India is an interesting security buffer for the US and with their large population and technical status, India could become another type of ally if Pakistan removes Musharef and decides to stop helping us.



posted on Mar, 6 2006 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Adonsa
Mr. Singh, I replied to your message at this message thread:
politics.abovetopsecret.com...
It appears that my query about a conspiracy will not be answered.


Adonsa,

Truce! We all know what you Americans are all worked up about.
But it isn’t India’s fault where outsourcing etc is concerned.
You know and I know that it’s all a game of big, big money especially where your huge corporations are concerned.

Take your Dick Cheney, for e.g. He’s got half of America’s corporations eating out of his hand, not to talk of Halliburton, which is his private fiefdom. Big guys like him – and there are thousands- worship only greenbacks. God, religion, and ordinary Americans be damned!

It’s money that makes the mare go, baby. And the ballgame is making more money, to make more money…boy! That’s crazy. It’s a disease! Considering one requires only a six-foot grave to be buried in, and that doesn’t cost a fortune.
So you think these worthies care about the ordinary Americans?

The mantra now is:
Ask not what America can do for you; ask what you can do for the corporates of America!!

That in a nutshell is what America is all about today!

Am I far off the mark? You tell me.




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posted on Mar, 6 2006 @ 12:55 AM
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India is the world's largest democracy with a huge (and increasingly well educated) labor pool and potentially equally huge markets, one which is particularly strong in the high tech & IT sectors. It's a fairly obvious partner for the US, and this would have come much sooner if it weren't for the Cold War hangover.

It doesn't hurt that India, in marked contrast to Pakistan, has a spotless record as a nuclear non-proliferator. It also doesn't hurt that India also finds itself targeted by Islamic extremism, or that it is seen as a potential bulwark against growing Chinese power.

I'm not sure that expressing a willingness to sell them stuff counts as a huge "concession" anyway. You didn't think we were going to be giving them F-18's and reactor fuel for free, did you? This is partially about an increasing sense of ideological alignment, but the real story is about money, and there's lots to be made in both countries from a closer relationship.

Personally I think this is the smartest move Bush has made since he took office - I am tempted to say the only smart move but that would be uncharitable



posted on Mar, 6 2006 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by xmotex
India is the world's largest democracy with a huge (and increasingly well educated) labor pool and potentially equally huge markets, one which is particularly strong in the high tech & IT sectors. It's a fairly obvious partner for the US, and this would have come much sooner if it weren't for the Cold War hangover.



xmotex,

You hit the nail on the head! This WAS a smart move.


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posted on Mar, 9 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by Adonsa
The question is, "What does the US get in return [for the Nukes for Mangos Trade Agreement]? Appears nothing. What is the conspiracy behind, the Nukes for Mangos Trade Agreement, where "We owe India our jobs?"

Restated: Why is the US so beholden to India that we give India a one sided trade agreement totally in their favor?


How about because they are largest liberal democracy in the world?

Or one of the few truely U.S. friendly nations in the region? Pakistan? We're only allied to their government, Pakistanis hate the U.S....Saudi Arabia? Weren't most of the alleged hijackers Saudi? Isn't Bin Laden part of the Saudi Royal Family???

As an American I think it's time to stop complaining about jobs being outsourced the other countries. Just look at GM and Ford, they're practically going out of business why? It's not because labor is cheaper in Asia, it's because companies like Toyota and Honda make a better product. That's the harsh reality of capitalism and in order to survive in a global economy the U.S. will have to be able to compete.



posted on Mar, 9 2006 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by mikesingh
...Apart from the geo politics of counter balancing China etc etc, there's a huge economic angle to it...Not just mangoes dude. There's billions of dollars at stake here. Just look at the companies India is dealing with and will shortly. And that's gonna give you guys jobs and dough...



What may seem like corporate America outsourcing jobs to the detriment of the US labour-market and offering trade-deals that give India a greater benefit from the negotiations, will entail India needing to hold massive reserves of US dollars to trade with, so propping up the ever growing US trade-deficit.
Especially so as Iran opens it's new oil bourse in a matter of weeks and has threatened to dump the dollar as the prime trading currency. If Iran's new oil market is successful there is a very real threat of other oil-exporting nations following suit, reducing their $-holdings in favour of a 'basket of currencies', which would in turn destabilize a fragile US credit-economy.

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