Iran tests longer range ICBM

Ok guys lets come to the conclusion, march 20th is coming up soon and our missile programs are boosted to a increasing rate. Soon enough we will publicy show Shahab-4 with it's succesful test and there will be nothing able to stop it.

LONDON [MENL] -- Iran has launched a missile designed to have a range of 4,000 kilometers.

Western intelligence sources said the Defense Ministry presided over the launch of an intermediate-range missile in January 2006. The sources said the launch was the first of what they termed a Shihab-4 ballistic missile based on a Soviet-origin platform.

The missile was fired and reached a distance of nearly 3,000 kilometers. The sources said the missile was destroyed in mid-flight, but the trajectory indicated that the projectile could have reached a distance of 4,000 kilometers.

"It looks like the test was meant to see if the separation and guidance systems were working," an intelligence source said.

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Originally posted by Mehran

Soon enough we will publicy show Shahab-4 with it's succesful test and there will be nothing able to stop it.

[edit on 4-3-2006 by Mehran]

except maybe a navy seal team or two. maybe a couple of SLCM's. or even better a laser guided bomb dropped from high altitude.

4000km??!!
I find that VERY hard to believe..
How many successful flights have the Shahab-3 had?

Not even countries like India and Pakistan have missiles with that kind of range..
And that news report seems to suspiciously vague..

Well since pakistan and india only have to shoot missiles a short distance they dont need long range ones, Iran WOULD need long range missiles. Also they would be expecting navy seals or sabatouge so they might pull you into a trap and test fire the missile on Iraq if you show up suddenly. High altitude bombing with radar would show something in one form or another then here we go with another war. Besides there is only 2 nations who would try and stop them so for them it would become reason to launch an attack: US, Isreal. 50/50 chance so dont push your luck with them unless you want retaliation.

You guys think Iran doesnt have that capability? we have Russian, Chinese and North Korean Scientists working for us!. We have no problem making ICBM's at all.

Originally posted by Vekar
Well since pakistan and india only have to shoot missiles a short distance they dont need long range ones, Iran WOULD need long range missiles. Also they would be expecting navy seals or sabatouge so they might pull you into a trap and test fire the missile on Iraq if you show up suddenly. High altitude bombing with radar would show something in one form or another then here we go with another war. Besides there is only 2 nations who would try and stop them so for them it would become reason to launch an attack: US, Isreal. 50/50 chance so dont push your luck with them unless you want retaliation.

I don't know about Pakistan but India has somehting called CHINA to deal with..
We(India) have missiles with ranges of 3000km+ as of now and those can traverese a distance that is 5 times the furthest point in Pakistan vis-a-vis India...
Now we dont just spend loads of money on those missiles for an ego statement do we? well ego's always a part-n-parcel but you what I mean right?

Lets just look up all the "successful" launches of the Shahab series and then base our judgements on it, ok?

Mehran, I can GUARANTEE you that Russian,Chinese,North Korean scientists are not building ICBMs for Iran because:

1) The Russian/Chinese govts DO NOT want Iran to become a nuclear weapons state with ICBM and/or 1500km+ missile capabilities. The Shahab series' accuracy/success bears judgement to those agendas.
2)DPRK (North Korea) doesn't have ICBM capability. They can at best light up most of Japan and maybe a unaware CNV task force.

Actually the only reason countries like Paksitan/DPRK/Iran have capabilities greater than 1000km is because they have actively worked together on this with initial help from China(to DPRK and Pakistan).

And If you have a missile that goes ' n' kms but then explodes in the air or develops a 'mind of its own' then its of NO use.

Originally posted by Mehran
You guys think Iran doesnt have that capability? we have Russian, Chinese and North Korean Scientists working for us!. We have no problem making ICBM's at all.

throw NK out the window now, they arent much of a threat except to their neighbors and the same is true for iran.

your best ally there is the russians and they still use VACUUM TUBES and use analog to control their electronics! roughly post WW2 technology or 1950's stuff.

I wouldnt be surprised if they still used gyros for their guidance on the missiles.

besides, what good is a missile going to do you if you got nothing to put on top of it? hmmm?

The problem is your trying to advance to quickly....trying to have long range missiles before you even have any nuclear weapons (all though I dont doubt they are trying desperately).


you cant go from a society who was roughly middle ages and turn them into a world power so quickly.

it would be like trying to take stone age man and make them a world power in 25 years......damn hard thing to do.


[edit on 5-3-2006 by XphilesPhan]

Originally posted by Mehran
You guys think Iran doesnt have that capability? we have Russian, Chinese and North Korean Scientists working for us!. We have no problem making ICBM's at all.

well maybe with spit and baling wire you have something. need a role of duc tape?


in classic pose from wrath of kahn and say "from hell's heart i stab at thee, with my last breath i spit at thee!!!!"

4,000 Km, so is it any wonder no one wants Iran building nukes? Or is it any wonder the EU seems to be taking the lead on this? Iran does have the industrial capacity to make such missiles, as they have been far beyond medivel levels for a long time now.

I’ll wait for some more actual proof because 4000K is hard to believe. Iran current missiles don't have anywhere near the 4000Km range so we’ll have to wait and see. This type of range would put all of Europe under the cross hairs. Also, the biggest supplier of tech and know how to Iran is NK, China and Russia don't want a nuclear capable or long range capable fundamentalist next door.

[edit on 5-3-2006 by WestPoint23]

Originally posted by Travellar
4,000 Km, so is it any wonder no one wants Iran building nukes? Or is it any wonder the EU seems to be taking the lead on this? Iran does have the industrial capacity to make such missiles, as they have been far beyond medivel levels for a long time now.

Yeah.. but anything beyond 2000km is seriously doubtful..Especially since they have no launch capable space program.
The CEP might go into kms..

Yeah.. but anything beyond 2000km is seriously doubtful

It seems not...

www.nti.org...

www.fas.org...

www.menewsline.com...

www.globalsecurity.org...

Although reports on the topic seem somewhat shady, the Iranian Government have obviosly been persueing a policy of secrecy....

..i have no doubt whether Iran have been working on their Shihab 4/5. Whether or not it has been tested and is battle ready is another question altogether...

a 4000km range missile is called a LRBM not an ICBM.
ICBMs go from 10000km+.North Korea has those and possibly India and Pakistan.
The missile electronics matter,as its accuracy.Any EMP device may deroute or destroy a missile with poor electronics.
Missile technology is far more complicated than building a Hiroshima-type bullet nuclear device.
what will happend in the 20th of March?

Originally posted by Mehran
You guys think Iran doesnt have that capability? we have Russian, Chinese and North Korean Scientists working for us!. We have no problem making ICBM's at all.

Nice. Your keeping some good company, eh? But you nuclear energy program is for peaceful purposes only, right? LOL.

The range of the Shahab-4 is more likely to be in the 1500-2000 km neighborhood, depending on the weight of the payload. Although some people are estimating that it is based on North Korean Nodong-2 technology or the Russian SS-4, it is more likely an Iranian version of the 3-stage North Korean Taepodong-1.

The Shahab-4 is believed to be based on technology from the now obsolete Russian SS-4, although both Russia and Iran have denied such a collaboration.(1) The SS-4 was 22.8 m long with a diameter of 1.65 m and a launch weight of 42,000 kg. Its 1,600 kg payload contained a single separating warhead. It used a single-stage liquid propellant engine and an inertial guidance system. The SS-4 had a range of 2,000 km (1,243 miles) and an accuracy of 2,400 m CEP. Depending on similarity between the Shahab-4 and the SS-4, these figures may not be relevant. It is believed that the Shahab-4 will have an accuracy of between 2,500 and 3,500 m CEP and a range of between 2,000 and 3,000 km (1,243 to 1,864 miles)

missilethreat.com...

Interesting that they predict the Shahb-4 with a maximum range of 3000km has a CEP of 2.5-3.5km, I would assume then that a 4000km would hvae an even larger CEP.

Missilethreat.com sites the Shahb-5 as having a range of 4000km and was expected operational in 2005.

The Shahab-5 is still in development and is not slated to enter service in Iran until around 2005. There is little concrete information regarding its capabilities, other than that it will most likely consist of two or three liquid/solid propellant stages. Some reports claim that the missile’s range will be around 4,000 km (2,485 miles). If these report are accurate, they place the Shahab-5 among the new class of long range missiles being produced by Iran in conjunction with North Korea. Like the Shahab-6, the Shahab-5 owes most of its technology to the North Korean Taep’o-dong 2, which in turn is largely derived from Chinese technology.

missilethreat.com...

with a CEP of 2kms the warhead HAS to be nuclear (or bio)

Originally posted by Caligulas
a 4000km range missile is called a LRBM not an ICBM.
ICBMs go from 10000km+.North Korea has those and possibly India and Pakistan.
The missile electronics matter,as its accuracy.Any EMP device may deroute or destroy a missile with poor electronics.
Missile technology is far more complicated than building a Hiroshima-type bullet nuclear device.
what will happend in the 20th of March?

This has just brought up an idea - could/would the US use an EMP device on Iran to disable their electronics/missiles? Obviously, it would be disasterous if the US used a nuclear device on Iran, but could and would they use an EMP device? Would an EMP device effectively disable the majority of Iran's military and missile systems?

I'll do some research tonight and post what I find.

You guys think Iran doesnt have that capability? we have Russian, Chinese and North Korean Scientists working for us!. We have no problem making ICBM's at all.

And these are the countries that will be dividing Iran and taking it's oil when it is all over. If Iran launches anything, all deals are off with every country you are involved with. The last thing anyone wants is a nuclear conflict, but what the world wants less is a Islamic Fundamentalist country ot possess Nuclear weapons, especially if they want to wipe Isreal off the map. Even if you do not agree with Jewish policy, this is not right. Isreal has every right as of now to attakc, but knows of the reprisal.

Catch 22 has replaced MAD in the Middle Eastern theatere.

What a wonderful combination - a President who has publicly vowed to "wipe the state of Israel off the map" an Islamofascist national identity, an uncontrolled nuclear energy program, and now 4,000km range ICBMs.

Just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesn't it ?

Originally posted by Harlequin
with a CEP of 2kms the warhead HAS to be nuclear (or bio)

Not always even missiles with conventional warheads and that crappy of a CEP could be used as "terror" weapons or used to draw in other countries into a conflict. Saddam tried it with his crappy SCUDs in the Gulf War. Hitler used his V-1 & V-2 rockets as terror weapons. To use them to the greatest effect sheer numbers should be used too outweigh accuracy problems.