Originally posted by MMP

Originally posted by whitelightwolf

Originally posted by MMP
I'll be the first to say that I don't buy into the whole reptilian bit. Everything that I have read, heard from people or watched about this topic seems kind of lacking. The whole idea of reptilian monsters in positions of power reminds me of a cartoon I watched when I was 8 or 9 years old about Conan and his father's sword forged from star metal. The sword
would glow when ever he was near the creatures and a butt-kicking soon followed. Any of you remember that show?

That really is a shame my friend...that means that the illuminati and reptilians have succeeded in making you "not believe in them" Actually they didn't have to do anything...you did it for them. Well it's just too bad, I suggest that you keep an open mind. I believe that they exist...actually wait a minute. no, lol, I KNOW they exist, because I have seen them. Like I said before, I do not have photo or video proof to back this up. But I did see them. Take it..or leave it. And they are here.

I'll leave it.

I never said I didn't believe there is some type of illuminati - trust me I do (you can thank my grandpa's rants about a trilateral council), I said I don't believe in giant lizards roaming around different dimensions trying control the world's population. Speaking of being open minded, do you believe in unicorns, mermaids and little a fairy that collects teeth? If you don't then they have succeeded in pulling the wool over your eyes!

(It's pretty easy to tell some one they have fallen victim disinformation, isn't it?)

Where I take the most issue with people like David Icke is their willingness to share enlightenment/understanding with you for profit (i.e. books and DVDs). The issue I take with folks who claim they've seen a lizard or whatever the theory calls for is that by now, human beings should know what you see is NOT what you get. Humans can be duped, in fact we'll actually pay to be duped! How many of you have ever watched a magician perform? Let me ask you, whitelightwolf, what if the lizard you saw was just an illusion cooked up by the illuminati to throw you off the real scent? What if they have succeeded in making you believe false information because you trust what you see?

I don't claim be an expert on conspiracy matters but the problem with theories like David's and many others is the illusion of being in the know and the power that comes with that. This gives way to self importance and is why people will blindly follow or believe. Everybody would like to have some type of leverage or power over the people around them. It's sad but true. Even if the reptilians did exist, in the grand scheme of things do you really think you're important to these lizards? It's fun to think, but the truth is you're probably not.

[edit on 3/3/2006 by MMP]

Alright, I read all about what you said. You do have a point...but..i don't think that, that is the case. I know a lot about the illuminati, got some info from my dad, online, books, etc. Well, the Illuminati do not want you to believe in them. that's what I know. As for reptilians...well they do exist. And it wasn't a hologram...well...actually everything is an illusion, so I guess it doesn't even matter does it, lol?

Take care

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
How else would you explain why the royal families constantly interbreed with themselves. To keep the blood pure.

That can be explained as retention and consolidation of power.

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
How else would you explain the human sacrifice rituals that these families have been involved in for thousands of years, and still continues to this day.

That these families have been using human sacrifice rituals for thousands of years is based on what evidence exactly?

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDropRead your history books. The first emperor of China was said to be a dragon, just one of many examples.

That's not history, that's mythology.

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
I dont see any alternative explanation. If anyone has one, feel free to share it.

What I see is circumstantial evidence for Reptillian existence. A mixture of ancient mythology and symbology, popular fiction, a handful of documented but unreliable second-hand reports.

Has it occured that ancient mythology is often allegorical?... For example, a reptillian God in an ancient myth could simply be a personalisation of the Draco star constellation within the allegory (much like disciples of Jesus can be viewed allegorically as the sign of the Zodiac).

Given the ideas about the holographic universe and quantum physics, I don't find the idea of "shape-shifting" that difficult of a concept to wrap ones mind around, BUT without a modicum of plausable evidence beyond a 'joining the dots' conspiracy theory, I find the case for the exitence of a Reptillian elite ruling race a very difficult one to make successfully persuasive.

I'll admit, joining the dots does make an attractive 'Grand Theory of all Conspiracy', but if you deconstruction that grand theory into it's separate parts, they seem to come unstuck very quickly.

I dont go for the reptilian thing.
Shape shifting? where is the proof just like with the ufos where is it?
I think this is disinfo to get people to focus else where.
What about the gorilas shifting in to skonks or the dolfins theory, evil dollfins shape shifitng in to dogs, do you belive me?I can give a explenation(riped out of the sci-fi) version.


The only explenations I see is, well it cant be captured because it's not visible to the naked eye, and then the contradiction comes "I saw a blond lady shift shape"
So if it's not visible to the naked eye how do you see it in the first place?

And then others come and say, how can you be so ignorant, they exist.
Ignorant to what?
Can some one explain to me from a to z everything.

Facts: people die, when they die they leave a skeleton behind that will stay there.
All people die, there are records of every one that dies, he or she is buried.
That person will desintegrate by time and a skeleton wiill remain of that person, so I dont see how is this thing with"they are all around us" when all of the people by record are buried, there are records of people that passed away of every one, do you think lizards work the mortuary too
Rarerly some one disapears and is never herd of again, usualy they are found killed.

Now the NWO is something diferent.

Who is ignorant, again?

Originally posted by pepsi78
The only explenations I see is, well it cant be captured because it's not visible to the naked eye, and then the contradiction comes "I saw a blond lady shift shape"
So if it's not visible to the naked eye how do you see it in the first place?

Icke and co. believe that the lizards drink/need pure blood from aryan people so they can "maintain" their sanity and shape (or something like that). Like you, Icke loses me at the reptilian part.

Originally posted by pepsi78
Can some one explain to me from a to z everything.

This is another place I take issue with Icke. He's more than willing to give you all the info you need about the topic...for a price (books and dvds). I can't figure out why some one who thinks there is a global conspiracy would give a hoot whether or not you bought a book, dvd or whatever. I would think the only thing he'd care about was you becoming informed.

[edit on 3/5/2006 by MMP]

Originally posted by RiotComing

Originally posted by Sri Oracle

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
why has there not been an accident where a first responder got there and found the shapeshifted alien?

There is a distinct difference between the physical (3rd) and the spirit (4th). One must be "looking" in the spirit world to even note the presence of a reptilian. Besides, it is likely that the Reptilian embodiment of the host would end as the energy source waned due to the accident. In the sensory world the accident victim will always look like an accident victim. It is in the supersensory that one makes note of demonic/angelic possesion.

-Sri Oracle

This explanation is spot-on. You'll be hard-pressed to find a photograph or a real-life encounter with a reptilian being, as they don't exist in our limited sensory realm (our 5 basic senses). The people who have experienced these things first hand have been able to somehow see into a whole new vibrational frequency, the extradimensional.

So, unless you have a fancy-Nancy camera that can take pics within this extra dimension, you're NEVER going to see the proof. You'll never see the evidence. It then almost becomes a faith not by sight but by belief (and I'd like to read David's thoughts on this) if you are as an individual, unable to untap these frequencies.

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Hi there, I understand everything you are saying. Did you know that I had a reptilian experience myself. But at the time I was having it, I didn't even know what they were or who David Icke was, I have never heard of reptilians.

So I am going to pod cast my reptilian experience. It happened with an astral projection in Florida at my grandma and grandpas apartment. I was astral projecting FIRST, and then...then I went back to my body and the stupid things followed me. When I was back in my body, the thing jumped on me, and I pulled the sheets over my head, and I heard the ZEEP ZEEP ZEEP, I was aware that the thing was there. Then I opened my eyes for real, ...no FOR real! Not sleep paraylsis. Anyways, there were two of them, and one was on the other side, the other was on top of me. Then it jumped of, and and I sat up and looked at it. my heart was thumping in my chest...I saw it..it was hideous. Dark green...chessire cat grin...I'll explain it later...but these things are real. They went into the dark of the bathroom and vanished...I turned on the lights and tv and couldn't go back to sleep.

Anyways, there is just too much evidence that people refuse to look for to prove that reptilians exist. Shape-shifting, yes, but not in the physical sense...it's a matter of possessing the host. Yes. Well thankgod I wasn't possessed. I am aware that these reptilians dwell in the 4th demension...THIS is why people can't get proof. Many can not see this place. Only at times you can.

As for the shapeshifters...well that's hard to get evidence, since A, they are protected, B they are famous..sorta, and C they'll kill you if you even try to reveal them, and D they are extremely secretive....very. How do I know that they are shifters? Well...it makes sense. Everything, when you put the rituals, bilderburger conferences, 9/11, aliens and UFOs, symbolism, and mythology plus history together...then you get this word popping up in your head... "OHYEAH"

Well good luck with your ever going search for the truth. I know I have found mine, but many are too ignorant to handle it, and always either have to have a scientific fact for it. Some people aren't spiritual either...so that makes it a lot harder for them....and the most important, you have to keep an open mind.

Wow that's long, I gotta go. In school.... Take care!!!*

[edit on 7-3-2006 by whitelightwolf]

[edit on 7-3-2006 by whitelightwolf]

So I am going to pod cast my reptilian experience. It happened with an astral projection in Florida at my grandma and grandpas apartment. I was astral projecting FIRST, and then...then I went back to my body and the stupid things followed me. When I was back in my body, the thing jumped on me, and I pulled the sheets over my head, and I heard the ZEEP ZEEP ZEEP, I was aware that the thing was there. Then I opened my eyes for real, ...no FOR real! Not sleep paraylsis. Anyways, there were two of them, and one was on the other side, the other was on top of me. Then it jumped of, and and I sat up and looked at it. my heart was thumping in my chest...I saw it..it was hideous. Dark green...chessire cat grin...I'll explain it later...but these things are real. They went into the dark of the bathroom and vanished...I turned on the lights and tv and couldn't go back to sleep.

How come they didint kill you, they were in front of you, and more you would be a witnes they had even more reason to do it.

Anyways, there is just too much evidence that people refuse to look for to prove that reptilians exist.

What evidence? can you show me a picture of them?
I can simply say that I can fly, and once I felt from the air from 1000 feet and I broke my leg, and it's real, do you belive me?

As for the shapeshifters...well that's hard to get evidence, since A, they are protected, B they are famous..sorta, and C they'll kill you if you even try to reveal them

Aha see my first quote, you would not be talking to us.
You argue with u'r self.

I am so glad we get a David Icke forum.





Now we know who the crazy people are.

For those that disbelieve

Have you ever taken the time to ask your self why they have reptilians in the media. Say the movie V, GI Joe cartoon, most cartoons envolving increasing the earths tempature. They are there to basically desensitize the american and world eye to the fact that they can exist. It is no different then porn. You become less effected by it the more you are exposed.

Originally posted by pepsi78

As for the shapeshifters...well that's hard to get evidence, since A, they are protected, B they are famous..sorta, and C they'll kill you if you even try to reveal them

Aha see my first quote, you would not be talking to us.
You argue with u'r self.

Have you ever thought that maybe he is not so much different from some of us here or most of us here and is adhd. the mind travels faster then the brain can keep up. Hard to understand till you are in our shoes.(not mine they smell a little) thought to try to add humor. New concept in my life. Military child hood. sorry won't do it again.

You see from above how fast and easy a converstation can change with us. I almost explained my life.

Our brains are almost described by ME as having two clear identities into thought that argue and confirm with each other. We analyze and over analyze certain things.

Why hasnt a coronor ( I think thats how you spell it) noticed these reptilians when preforming an autopsy, or maybe some doctor would notice a difference in the motabilism between reptoids and humans there are just to many holes in the reptilian conspiracy theory and in this day and age we would have some sort of evidence to go on but all we have on reptilians is her say and hard to prove stories ( I call these lies)

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
I believe they are reptilian shape-shifters. If theyare not, reptilian shape-shifters are here on Earth, because Ive talked to a number of people who claim to have experiences with them.

How else would you explain why the royal families constantly interbreed with themselves. To keep the blood pure.

MADEIOO: or to consolidate powers and use royal marriages as a tool to solidify alliances. Take the Habsburg dinasty case, they are probably the royal line that most famously inter-bred with the objective of keeping a hold on their power. Why would a reptilian elite interbred to the point that Charles II the last of the spanish hapsburgs, was not only severly disabled due to genetic conditions, he was short, lame, epileptic, senile, and completely bald before thirty-five, he also was infertile and due to that the hapsburg house died with him.

How else would you explain the human sacrifice rituals that these families have been involved in for thousands of years, and still continues to this day.

MADEIOO: What human sacrifices?

How else would you explain the fact that they claim to have a right to rule over the masses because of their relation to the ''gods''. Read your history books. The first emperor of China was said to be a dragon, just one of many examples.

MADEIOO: Every ruler before the renaissance was in some way or another "favoured" by the gods. In some parts of the world the ruler was a god himself, if you go back 60 years, the japanase emperor was considered a god by the people of Japan, although I'm unsure how many japanese still believe that this day and age. I see proof here that man will use religion to advance their own agendas, not of some reptilian menace.

I dont see any alternative explanation. If anyone has one, feel free to share it.

Now we got that out of the way, the following are genuine unbiased questions:

- Why are they interested in Earth in particular?
- How did they arrive here?
- Why didn't they manoeuvre the world into staying under monarchies, as now they have to assume different shapes every time we change rulers?

What makes you think their blood is pure in the first place?

Is this not a "if or if not" situation? I mean, it's still reasonable to ask the question, but in the end it's all speculation and we will have to wait for the answer to it. I think we are all holding our breath.

Ah, damn. MadGreebo is banned. Sucks that whenever I have to ask a certain member on a forum something, they are always banned!

Anyways, I'll believe these things when I have proof they exist. Ever since I can remember, I always thought or knew that something is controlling us and how we humans live. There is some sort of entity that made this reality, this system, and shapes our thoughts so we can shape their reality. I think they know that thought affects things, so they make the masses think something and the masses blindly follow it (take media and popular culture for example.)

That being said, while something is behind this, flesh eating humanoids, reptilians, or people who worship owl gods is not what comes to mind. Keep in mind that these people make movies, write books and put up websites in order to get some profit from people who will believe them.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by 1thefire1]

With all due respect to whitelightwolf (or whatever the name is, sorry if it's a mistake) and others who hold this ideas as indisputable truth - the trouble is the arguments don't hold up.

The one about the Royal family interbreeding - the highest status elites always keep to their own officially except where they sire bastards in which case the commonfolk do just as nicely.

There are many in the world who believe they are commonfolk but actually have some connection with the elites hundreds of years ago. They are just not in the circle of power anymore (a branch of the family fell out of favor and the family lands were seized or sold off) or they are descended from illigitimate offspring of the elites.

A limited circle in which to form marriage alliances and interbreed will keep that power, influence and wealth in the hands of the same people.
The fact that the Bushes and others have blood connections to England's royal family just goes to show how the power structures remain in place and perpetuate themselves. The Bush family were well heeled in England and then went off to the land of opportunity and increased that wealth.

President Obama (whom I consider to be the hollow man irrespective of skin color - just sealing all his records reveals there is a fraudulent past somewhere) is related to the Bush family on his mother's side. His mother was a Stanley (another old English aristocratic family) and despite all the bull# about how she was a single mother etc, she was a highly educated woman from an upper middle class background.

There is nothing reptilian about staying within your own circle to intermarry.

Whitelightwolf gives as evidence his astral projection experience. Sorry, but if you want us to belive in this reptilian conspiracy as hard fact you have to deal in the world of hard fact. Astral projection can be true but it is in a realm that is very subjective and based within the psychic realm. The realm of the psyche can be true or it can be utterly delusional.

Human sacrifices - I have to say I believe there are individuals and occultic groups out there who will stop at nothing to gain energy and power through evil means such as blood sacrifices. I have no doubt that these account for a percentage of the missing people in our societies. But how widespread it is cannot be answered unless one is actually acquainted with the kinds of people who do this.

It's easy to accuse Queen Elizabeth et al of such sacrifices but this is a highly controversial area and proof would be from somebody willing to put their real name, real details, real proof as in photographic and video out there.

I have a great affection for the Draco, the Old Ones who shaped this universe. Their power lay in chaos and discord. And so does mine.

The word 'believe' is an incorrect term that is often applied. It must be remembered that most people have not seen even half ov every insect, mammal, reptile, fish life on this planet but that does not discount their existence because they have not been observed.