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Was L. Ron Hubbard a satanist...or worse? Is Scientology linked to the NWO?

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posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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I agree, not all of the teachings are hogwash.

I found my Scientology books at a thrift store for $1 each, and one was free! They seemed more like "self help" mixed with New Age to me, though.

Notice how the Co$ sign is a cross with an X on it? Makes you wonder.




posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Scientology has nothing to do with Satanism(any kind), or the NWO.

I am an ex-Scientologist. I was a Staff member in the early 90's.
Scientology is basically Eastern philosophy, and some psychology, formed in a systematic gradient levels of attainment.

I do more so support the Freezone movement, and I believe the current CoS is corrupted, since it was usurped in the 80's, and the books and recordings have been altered.

I am currently not involved with Scientology at all, though it was an important part of my spiritual growth.

So much of what Hubbard taught back in the 40's and 50's, is being realized today, and often considered common knowledge.



posted on Jun, 3 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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It is quite known that he was linked with Aleister Crowley, and influenced by his teachings. Aleister was a notorious black magic occultist.

BTW I have read dianetics and found his theory on engrams, analytical mind and other concepts quite interesting. Some of his teachings I still keep an eye for (beliefs in anesthesia, and baby-in-womb trauma); or an aware of. Other teachings I am not to crazy about.
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posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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How does one think to themselves, "I am going to be an abortion doctor."?

I mean, do they do that thinking they'll keep women healthier? Because women have been killing their own babies since the beginning of time, and really didn't need professional surgeons/doctors to help them give birth or control population. And yet, doctors seem to insert themselves where they are not wanted or needed.

Controlling women, is the point. If she gets pregnant, it's a hand-hold for every womb-predator like Elron or Planned Parenthood, etc.

Elron was obsessed with abortions as per the interview with his kid published in Penthous mag of 1983 I think. So Elron explained that we all need to process the thousands of abortion-deaths which we all suffer in our previous lives, as the theory goes.

So you can see how a man who stabs fetuses with a coathanger for fun, would also get off on a religion based on that as the core of the human experience. So when Elron is traumatizing a fetus or forcing it to be born preemie and suffer for an hour before dying, you can see that he is reinforcing his own system, in his own head. When he sees the gasping baby, removed from the womb too soon, and when he pokes it with a heated needle and it's mouth opens in a silent scream, he is reinforcing his own belief in his own system. Also, those present for such traumas, are being conditioned and reinforced to accept the truth of womb-trauma, and their need for "purging" that trauma. you see?

So when they all sit around and toss a fetus into a low-heat frying pan and watch it squirm a few minutes, it reinforces that they themselves MUST HAVE been victimized in previous lives, as fetuses, because that is the key to occult-group-trauma like what I am describing. The way the mind deals with it, with seeing things like that, it to say "yes, this is how it is. It is, this bad." an then they adhere even more tightly.

So this is a planet of fetus-trauma. And we are all fetuses, just aged a bit. So the Elron system is horror based, and on a planet full of horrors, its no shock that he gains traction and money. Well, I am sure a lot of the Scienos at the top were waiting for him to die so they could take it and run. Like with Charles Russell and the Watchtower, when the religious founder dies, there is always a court battle and seizing of power in the coup. Standard stuff really [yawn].



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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I'm not sure how that ties into Scientology. If you are implying that Scientology endorses abortion, you couldn't be farther from the truth. L Ron Hubbord was staunchly against abortion under any cercumstances, according to his book Dianetics and uses bascially a whole chapter explaining why. Not defending Scientology as a whole in general because it is very cult like, but in that aspect I know for sure that he was against it.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms
L Ron Hubbord was staunchly against abortion under any cercumstances


Fer reals?

Like I said, his kid says different. Penthouse mag, 1983, interview.

And anyway, any good religio-fascist tells blatant lies to the lower courses of the pyramid. The rule is, never tell them the truth.

Hey, the interview is out there, I even posted the link years ago in some other disppeared ATS thread. Meh. If you want to push the issue, I'll post the link, it's a good interview and Quentin speaks of Elrons obsession with abortion which is why his whole worldview begins with it. Abortive trauma is the essence of Dianetics, would you like me to quote the book? I am happy to add pages to this thread. No problem.



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Woah there comboy, put the pistols away lol. I was just repeating what I read in Dianetics, which was several years ago. Not saying that the of preaching one thing and saying another isn't a possibily, maybe you are right. I just find it odd that the parts of the whole book mentions the "atrocity" of abortion and goes on to give his opinion on the reason why. Dunno what purpose that would serve, if he felt (or acted) the opposite way. It would be quite opposite if he were asked a question on his stance on abortion, and he then responded with a fib, but the fact that he goes out of his way to add it into his material and devote quite a number of pages tells me that the odds of him not feeling that way are low. Then again I am not an expert on mister Hubbard, and Dianetics was the only book that I read from him (which was written in the 50's I believe), so his later material or behavior could very well be like you say.

Regardless, if you could I wouldn't mind reading that playboy article that you mentioned not to try and debunk or anything, but rather because I am curious. And if you can send me the whole issue with pictures I'll be even happier



posted on Jun, 17 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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Also I would like to note that I've read from other sources certain "warped" philosophies held by the man in his alliance with mister crowley (
), some of which include believing that one of the ways of gaining power from the lower realms or achieving higher awareness of suppressed black magical knowledge is by having sex anally with virgin children (pre-teens), which is ghastly. Dunno if that was a smear or not but that really bothered me considering all the MKultra horror stories that I have read with elites and well known public figures both in the entertainment business and politics, being closeted pedos and luciferians. Missing children and trafficking also tie into it. Makes one sick, so maybe it wasn't a smear. And if it wasn't a smear the analytical mind (no pun) in me can see how a person that is that wicked would get pleasure out of torturing fetuses.
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