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NEWS: Paying Credit Card Triggers Homeland Security

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posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 03:27 PM
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Walter Soehnge a retired Texas schoolteacher did something that most people do and thought nothing about it. He paid down all the debt on one of his credit cards. Shortly after the payment he noticed he wasnt credited and found out that he was being investigated by homeland security. He was told by magagers after contacting them that when the payment hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified and the account put on hold. Although he was cleared of not promoting global terrorism he is still left wondering how easily Homeland Security can get permission to spy.
 



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What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It's that "everything changed after 9/11" thing.


And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn't call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn't try to sneak a machine gun through customs. They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast.

They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn't move until the threat alert is lifted.



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When most people think of spying they think of wire taps and photo recon. What they dont think of is everything else like watching your credit card activity and banking activity. It always amazes me how easily most people start to think that this is a normal way of life and say nothing about it.




posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Yeah... go get em you Homeland security heros...
As an American, it really scares me, when someone actually pays off a credit card...


I get all like "whoah... someone in this economy has money to do that?... they gotta either be a terrorist funded by AQ, or a corrupt official of a military/defense industry..."



If i wanted to don the Tinfoil hat, I would say that the NWO wants to keep us all in debt... to make us slaves to corporations. But the Hat is off, so i wont say that (oops just did...
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Or I might point out that I just paid off my biggie card back in June... Payment went thru just fine...and it was a biggie... And in case Mr G is wondering how... Simple... sold a car...


[edit on 2-3-2006 by LazarusTheLong]



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 05:26 PM
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Me and the girlie were thinking about moving to the US to work for a couple of years and maybe setlle in the North. After a years worth of beurocratic hassle and sh#t, we see every day another reason why moving to the USA in 2006 would be like moving to Nazi germany in 1939...

we are both well educated professionals in the health Care sector, both free of criminal records, but we went to the embassy in London, and I was asked about my time in the UK Army and what I did whilst serving, and did I have any islamic leanings.. The question was this : "So why do you two wish to live in the USA? Oh and Sorry, your records are clean but there are gaps missing in your employment time and status in the Uk. We are concerned about you being ex- forces and having this missing time. Have you ever been to the middle east or pakistan?"

The missing time? 6 months in oz and six months in himalayas. Thats what gets you a refusal to work in the USA if you are a white well educated professional from the UK.

Enjoy your fate USA. The Nazis have you .



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 05:54 PM
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I shouldn't even respond, because no doubt I'll be accuse of being a DHS shill, but... that law is not specific to DHS. It's been around for a long time, if you go by one of the amendments to it:

The Right to Financial Privacy Act was Congress' response to a U.S. Supreme Court decision that found bank customers had no legal right of privacy for their financial information held by financial institutions. The law is largely procedural and requires government agencies to provide notice and an opportunity to object before a bank or other institution can disclose personal financial information to a government agency, usually for law enforcement purposes. The law was amended in the latter 1980s to allow postponement of notice in investigations dealing with drug trafficking and espionage.
www.accessreports.com...

Emphasis mine.

It was originally designed to help law enforcement in the war on drugs, and espionage cases.

MadGreebo, it is sop for employers to inquire about lapses in employment. How do they know that that missing year wasn't spent in a mental institution or correctional facility because of an incident on a previous job? Or maybe you were kicking a heroin habit? Not you personally; the rhetorical "you".



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 05:55 PM
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Sorry to hear that Greeb...
Try Canada... they are still a little sane up there...
colder, but much warmer politically...

And I have hope that someday soon America will be the place you want to come to again...(and will be able to easier)



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 06:13 PM
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JS and Laz, I just cannot tell you how much crap we had to go through just to get interviewed by the embassy staff.

I do agree with the fact that missing time is bad on a CV, but when you have air tickets, financial statements and travel docs to prove where you have been? lol my visa card was used by me in the north of India, and I had the recipts and every thing. No go. Not interested, not even with my passport stamped and visas still in them...

We shelved our plans to come work in north America, took our house off the property market (we had three potential buyers) and have decided to shelve any ideas of a N.America tour. You know whats really sad? Here in the UK health care staff have to have a criminal record check each time you start a new job (CRB Form) where the Goverment check ALL of your past.
Even these are not good enough, and there from our Police and security apparatus here in the UK!



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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Sorry to hear about the crap you had to put up with, but don't let that sour your outlook on the US. Healthcare specialists in all fields are never out of a job here, judging by the employment pages ( and 3 of my sister/nurses ). They can have all the money & benefits, imo...they deserve it. I could never work in that field; I'm too impatient.



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 08:38 PM
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Me and the girlie were thinking about moving to the US to work for a couple of years and maybe setlle in the North. After a years worth of beurocratic hassle and sh#t, we see every day another reason why moving to the USA in 2006 would be like moving to Nazi germany in 1939...

we are both well educated professionals in the health Care sector, both free of criminal records...

Enjoy your fate USA. The Nazis have you .


Wow. All that training and education and you can't come up with a more original comparison than Nazi Germany? Zzzzz....

Perhaps you could enlighten this ignorant American on exactly how the USA is like Nazi Germany in 1939. Please, be specific.

BTW, what's wrong with the healthcare industry in the UK?

Maybe the embassy official didn't like your attitude?



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by MadGreebo
Me and the girlie were thinking about moving to the US to work for a couple of years


Me and the hubby were thinking about moving to Oz. Want to make a switch? Nah, now is not the time to move INTO the US, imo.

I'm with Laz. I hope someday soon, the USA will again be a place that people will want to come to (and stay in).



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 09:50 PM
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It actually makes sense that they investigated. If someone is paying for a card for years, then suddenly pays it off that's suspicious. The money had to come from somewhere, and it makes sense to at least check it out to see if it was an inheritance, drug money, a payoff, or what.



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
It actually makes sense that they investigated. If someone is paying for a card for years, then suddenly pays it off that's suspicious. The money had to come from somewhere, and it makes sense to at least check it out to see if it was an inheritance, drug money, a payoff, or what.


It is not, in itself 'suspicious'! Whose business is it if I inherited some money, had been saving and decided to pay off my credit cards or Aunt Beulah decided to give me a money gift? I does not make sense.

That's checking up on the populace for no reason. People pay things off.

I paid off my truck when I got my inheritance from my dad. I paid off my student loan when I got married. Nobody needs to be checking up on me, with their nose up my business for every transaction I make.

I can't believe how easily people are willing to turn over their privacy. This is homeland freaking security! Why should they have their nose in everybody's business?

[edit on 2-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]



posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 10:01 PM
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And you wouldn't be the least suspicious if someone who was paying $100 a month on a $3000 credit card bill suddenly pays the entire amount off? I would be.


MBF

posted on Mar, 2 2006 @ 10:51 PM
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A few years ago, I borrowed some money from the government. I paid the loan off early and overpaid it by about $7,500. Those fools tried to foreclose on me two times. At a hearing that I had, they would NOT let my lawyer show my canceled checks as evidence that I had repaid the loan. The loan officer even checked my records and saw that it had been repaid and told me that the records were wrong and I still had to repay the loan. The bad thing is that he still has his job. All my lawyers told me that it was obvious what they had done to me and that it was wrong, but they were the government and they could do anything they wanted and there was nothing that I could do about it.



posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 01:23 AM
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I think it is a sad reflection on the US that if someone actually pays off their credit card, that activity is so unusual that the dept. of Homeland security gets involved. I guess if someone is constantly paying off their credit card each month that is not unusual. I don't know though, I keep getting this feeling that someone is watching me.


I wonder what the dept. of homeland security will investigate next? Perhaps people who actually save money in a savings account will be under investigation next. I believe that may be very unusual activity in the US as well. I can imagine the discussion somewhere in a large security department "Captain, this person of interest needs to be investigated, an American who is actually saving money or paying off debt is extremely unusual. (other guy) You're right. Americans don't save money or pay off credit cards, investigate them." This investigation is a sad reflection of what has been occuring in this country I believe. The investigation might be worthy for looking for drug offenses (but common law offenses shouldn't be dept of homeland security duties IMO) but I don't understand how someone could be a threat to the nation because they paid off a few thousand dollars in debt on their credit card. If someone could explain that, I'm listening.



posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
And you wouldn't be the least suspicious if someone who was paying $100 a month on a $3000 credit card bill suddenly pays the entire amount off?


Suspicious of what? They got wise to paying 23% interest and made it a priority to pay it off? They got tired of being ripped off? No. I wouldn't be suspicious unless there was some other activity that suggested something off-color.

I'm saddened and angry that simply paying off a bill makes me suspect and that that's ok with people.

I've done it plenty of times. We're hoping to pay off our mortgage. Call the authorities!


df1

posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm saddened and angry that simply paying off a bill makes me suspect and that that's ok with people.

BH, Im with you all the way. What angers me the most is the fact that some individuals either defend or offer excuses for this heinous practice of invading the privacy of US citizens in any form that suits the government. And it seems they like their government the way they like their religion, "The government said it. I believe it. That settles it".
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posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
but don't let that sour your outlook on the US. Healthcare specialists in all fields are never out of a job here, judging by the employment pages ( and 3 of my sister/nurses ). They can have all the money & benefits, imo...they deserve it. I could never work in that field; I'm too impatient.


Not true. I work for Pfizer and they are downsizing or out sourcing nearly all departments for reasons I won't go into.



posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 09:31 AM
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I wonder if he did a transfer balance or paid cash?

We regularly pay of 10 to 15 grand balance on credit cards. Never been contacted.

American express, you have to pay it off every month. So if we have a big event and there is 15 grand in expenses it has to be paid off by the next month. At least that's how its set up for us. Every ones accounts are different.



posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
It actually makes sense that they investigated.

To be looked into by a tax office would be one thing, but c'mon, Homeland Security?

@ Benevolent Heretic
If you go, if I pay for the added freight, can I stuff myself into one of your suitcases? lol

NN



posted on Mar, 3 2006 @ 10:16 AM
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nice one jc penny.i hope this guy does not sue.good luck digging out of this hole.i hate it when they wont let you pay the bills.kinda makes ya wonder why people go to work everyday lol.......




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