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reply posted on 4-3-2006 @ 04:40 AM by Long Lance
Originally posted by bsl4doc

Sorry, you're wrong. Ozone is highly toxic.
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Yes? by the same token, do you happen to have a problem with using flourine for its alledged benefits, for the same reason - that it's actually highly toxic? just curious...

O3 in high concentrations is harmful, no doubt about that, when using ~3% or less, the problems are miniscule especially when comparing it with the ailment you're trying to get rid of. Comparing this with statistics on air pollution is dubious at best, since there is no clear distinction between effects due to O3 and, say, NOx, is there? O3 is just a more active form of oxygen, i can see how using corona generators may introduce detrimental nitric oxide, but adding lmited qantities of pure O3 does not present a problem. I know i won't convince anybody who thinks it's toxic, that's why i told them to stay away.

On a side note: antibiotcs are toxic, chemotherapy is even more toxic (but routinely used), heck, even retinol is toxic if overdosed, it's no reason not to use it.

www.geocities.com...

just one parapraph
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The Use of Ozone in Medicine," recently reprinted, gives many recommendations on dosage and concentration. There is no evidence that long term treatment on a daily basis has any detrimental effect. Doctors who have used it for decades have only positive results to report. Ozone is blatantly non-toxic. There is no evidence of free radical damage; in fact, ozone is the best free radical scavenger there is. Ozone also stimulates production of superoxide dismutase, catalase, and glutathione peroxidase, which are the enzymes in the cell wall which protect the cell from free radical damage, so ozone actually helps prevent free radical damage.
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Oxygen, need i say more?

more links

www.ozonestimulation.com...

www.appliedozone.com...


more to the point wrt this thread: Anti-viral properties, example HCV (pdf)

p4, paragraph#1
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Ozone: Antiviral properties. Recently, there has surged renewed interest in the potential of ozone for viral inactivation.
It has long been established that ozone neutralizes bacteria, viruses, and fungi in aqueous media. This has
prompted the creation of water purification processing plants in many major municipalities worldwide.

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Q: If you had the choice between O3 and chlorine, which would you use?

I've given you a only a faint glimpse, because it took me days to even find out about this stuff (and i try to keep it short) if you're willing to investigate this alternative treatment, which, btw has been around for ages, you will be able to make an at least semi-informed decision.

I added my comment for everyone to see, if you want to discard it, fine with me. Certain thing is that today, people are quick to put formaldehyde, aluminium and thiomersal into medication, while considering the potential benefits of a form of oxygen is apparently too much to ask for. Strange world indeed.

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reply posted on 4-3-2006 @ 06:02 AM by justyc
Originally posted by bsl4doc
Originally posted by justyc
Originally posted by Senor_Vicente
Originally posted by Long Lance
Use a Quartz (this is important, since the electrical discharge stuff creates NOx molecules!) ozone generator, fill a cool mist vaporizer with vinegar in your room, and make sure O3 levels don't get too high, this combination should be much more effective than either ingredient alone.

Actually it's Orgone, search ebay for it. My dad has had a wierd flu type bug and he just hacks and hacks up nasty phlemy stuff, we live in Central Texas, I thought O3 was ah poisonous.


no, i'm afraid its you who should search google. look up ozone generator.

orgone was what wilhelm reich researched and died for


Sorry, you're wrong. Ozone is highly toxic.

www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


i can see you didnt use google to check on what an 'ozone generator' is.

here, let me provide 3 links also so that you will then understand what the difference between 'orgone' and 'ozone' is...

www.epa.gov...
www.ozmotics.com...
www.raytechstore.com...

now let me provide 3 links on orgone generators...

educate-yourself.org...
www.orgone.net...
www.metatech.org...&_orgone_generator.html

besides, i personally think neither of the above would be useful. its sounds to me like some mutant form of meningitis and a highly contagious one at that.

i still think the best bet is to get it into the public ears for media attention. anybody thought of approaching alex jones about it?


reply posted on 4-3-2006 @ 03:08 PM by DDay
Ok I was the one originally to brooch the idea of chemtrails in an earlier post. Orgone generators is what you are looking for and they purportedly negate the effects of chemtrails. But anyway, not my reason for posting.

I have been following this thread closely and it's like something on the tip of my tongue that I just can't quite remember but this seems familiar to me.
I think instead of everyone posting about common cold and flu symptoms we need to narrow down specific symptoms and commonalities.
It's flu season so everyone is going to have a story but with what Relentless is stating appears to be something different.
When the doctors can only say viral but cannot pinpoint what virus we potential have something new on our hands.

Which in my opinion means that something unusual has been introduced here. Some new type of contagion. So where does a new unidentified contagion come from?

Perhaps we need to look at some less pleasent and uncommon outside sources. I had mentioned Chemtrails because these are chemicals that are sprayed into our atmosphere and have been known to cause ahsmatic (sp) symptoms unmongst other things.
But that's not where I want to go with this. Most of you who are reporting the same conditions seem to be located in the south/south eastern part of the US.
During this time there have been numerous reports of fish, whales, dolphins and other sea life that are beaching themselves which although normal in some cases the amounts that are shoring themselves seem to be out of the ordinary. This could be contributed to a number of things. Red Tide, gravitational disorientation, ocean water warming etc... BUT... what if there is some type or organism that is causing the condition?

Relentless reported people starting with this in August (hot weather and beach time) FLU doesn't begin until Oct so what if an new organism was picked up during the summer months and incubated for a time in the person's lungs and thus spread to other people?

Here is another idea and and idea some of you may not want to take into consideration but believe it has been done plenty of times in the past and will happen again in the future if not already.
A deliberate spraying of a biological agent in certain areas of the population. By spraying any amount on a selected group the gov would be better able to ascertain the effects without causing alot of panic because the infection or illness would seem isolated and would not overwhelm the hospitals which would raise questions.
Now I am not trying to go conspiracy on anyone here but it's worth a look.

For interesting reading see here:
www.apfn.org...

1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.

1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.

AND more recently and more widely known

1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.

Hope you all that are suffering find some relief soon..


reply posted on 5-3-2006 @ 11:16 AM by soficrow
Originally posted by Relentless
Originally posted by soficrow
All of the symptoms described are consistent with known H5N1 bird flu symptoms - references in my post above.

Whatever it is, it's been around for a long time - and seems to be mutating more quickly now.


Okay, so say it is a variant of the avian flu (granted not the lethal one currently spreading across the globe) - or not - what test can be performed to identify it? Can a Dr. order a test to identify the strain of whatever it is? Or does the permission to even test for what strain it is have to come from somewhere to authorize nailing it down?

I just don't undrstand why none of the Drs. can nail this down.



Diagnosing H5N1 bird flu takes a molecular diagnostic test - and NOBODY does molecular diagnostics. Even though scientists have been screaming that it's necessary for years... Not that the tests aren't available - they are. It's just that they are not used routinely.

Here is the latest in a long line of scientists' pleas:



Network sought to detect bird flu

London: A global network of laboratories is urgently needed to detect outbreaks of bird flu, scientists warned on Thursday.

Researchers have asked the World Health Organization to investigate the possibility of building the labs to avert a pandemic with $1.9 billion funding from developed countries, where surveillance is already in place. ...The proposed network of labs would play a key role in preventing the emergence of a strain of avian flu that is easily transmissible between humans.

Jean-Paul Chretien at the U.S. Department of Defence global emerging infections surveillance and response system in Maryland and David Blazes of the U.S. naval medical research centre detachment in Peru, called on the international community to use a disease monitoring network set up by the U.S. military as a model for the global network.

- Guardian Newspapers Limited 2006



IMO - non-testing is policy... How else can you explain why it's not routine? Besides cost...



Why make it policy NOT to test for bird flu? Hmmm. A few hints. Bird Flu Biz:




Mela attempts to diffuse bird flu scare

March 06, 2006 - While officials and elected representatives savoured chicken and eggs on the dais, people queued up to enjoy a free lunch at the ‘Chicken and Egg Mela’ held at the Town Hall on Friday.

The ‘mela’ was organised jointly by the National Egg Coordination Committee (NECC), Mysore zone and the Department of Animal Husbandry, Government of Karnataka.

Dismissing the fears of ‘bird flu’ as mere rumour, the speakers had earlier blamed the global firms for spreading the rumour to market their vaccines.

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Tourism chiefs to discuss bird flu

World tourism chiefs are to hold the first in a series of briefings about the impact of bird flu on travel.

The tourism bosses - members of United Nations agency the World Tourism Organisation (UNWTO) - will discuss avian flu during the world's largest travel fair, ITB Berlin, on Friday, March 10.

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Very interesting: Conflicting signals on bird flu






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