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reply posted on 2-3-2006 @ 04:20 AM by loam
I hear you.

Like I said, I have never experienced anything like that first "flu"...if it even was the flu. It was very strange and frightening.

EDIT:

And for what it's worth, there is this story...



N.J. Officer Back From Iraq Found Dead

Jersey City police on Tuesday night were investigating the death of one of their own, a 42-year-old Iraq War veteran whose body was found inside his Glenwood Avenue apartment.

The officer, whose name was not disclosed pending family notification, had been complaining for at least five days of not feeling well, according to police Sgt. Edgar Martinez.

The officer's girlfriend was worried about his well-being and called police to check up on him, Martinez said. Officers found the body of their colleague, a five-year veteran of the department, at about 7:30 p.m.

Because he had only returned from Iraq in November and his illness appeared to be a viral infection, a hazardous materials unit was sent in for further investigation and the officers who found the body were put through a decontamination process, Martinez said.

But Martinez said there was no danger to public health.


Sorry for the large quote, but small stories like this one tend to disappear...

Anyway, I think its disturbing when they acknowledge a viral cause, send a hazmat team, and then say there is no cause for concern...


[edit on 2-3-2006 by loam]



reply posted on 2-3-2006 @ 09:23 AM by Lanotom
That's pretty scary Loam, especially since I am a frequent visitor to Bayonne (just a stone throw away) and years back actually lived on Glenwood Ave near where the officer was found.
I am also suffering the symptoms as I type.
If it's something communicable it will spread fast as St. Peter's College is also part of Glenwood Avenue with many, many students.

Originally posted by loam
I hear you.

Like I said, I have never experienced anything like that first "flu"...if it even was the flu. It was very strange and frightening.

EDIT:

An for what it's worth, there is this story...



N.J. Officer Back From Iraq Found Dead

Jersey City police on Tuesday night were investigating the death of one of their own, a 42-year-old Iraq War veteran whose body was found inside his Glenwood Avenue apartment.

The officer, whose name was not disclosed pending family notification, had been complaining for at least five days of not feeling well, according to police Sgt. Edgar Martinez.

The officer's girlfriend was worried about his well-being and called police to check up on him, Martinez said. Officers found the body of their colleague, a five-year veteran of the department, at about 7:30 p.m.

Because he had only returned from Iraq in November and his illness appeared to be a viral infection, a hazardous materials unit was sent in for further investigation and the officers who found the body were put through a decontamination process, Martinez said.

But Martinez said there was no danger to public health.


Sorry for the large quote, but small stories like this one tend to disappear...

Anyway, I think its disturbing when they acknowledge a viral cause, send a hazmat team, and then say there is no cause for concern...

[edit on 2-3-2006 by loam]



reply posted on 2-3-2006 @ 08:28 PM by AngelWings9999
Hi EB
New England here, My mom 82 last month was in Hospital, Her Oxygen Level down in the 60's - normal around 95-100
Ok everyone would say that is to be expected from someone her age - who has congestive heart failure - she is a fighter so don't worry she is now home and doing well thank you!

The funny thing same week, my 3 year old Great Neice was in the Hospital also, same thing Oxygen Level down in the 60's - Severe Respitory Cold-flu
She was in over a week 1/2. She gave us quite a scare when she first went in.

I had cold but after 3 weeks it did start to diminish - it is now gone. Thankfully! Nothing compared to what you guys are saying!

I started to wonder if all the people being sick now and staying sick - do you all have something in common, like did you get the flu shot?
My Mom didn't nor I, that much I know, I forgot to ask my Neice if her daughter got one, next time I speak with her I'm going to ask that!

All I know many years ago, I got a flu shot, and was sick all year! Tried it one more year, and the same thing happened! And I mean sick as a dog! Haven't gotten it in years, since I don't trust our loving goverment as far as I can spit lol!
So since then If I do get sick its like it was before I would get the flu shot, which is only for short periods! I like to take care of myself, I can't seem to trust them after all I know now! But thats me! And I'm playing it safe!
I hope everyone is doing better now! Now I hear more people are being affected, Young & Old with their Oxygen levels and they are healthy young individuals too! Strange huh!
Angel


reply posted on 3-3-2006 @ 01:23 PM by soficrow
Originally posted by Relentless

Also Sofi - I do hope you find this hunger info you mentioned, though I still don't personally think this has anything to do with avian flu, I think it's possible that we are missing something significant going around because the focus is the expected flu for this year and the avian flu.





H5N1 bird flu can infect multiple systemic organs, including the brain, central nervous system and gastrointestinal system.

This flu can affect the gastrointestinal system in a variety of ways that can make victims feel hungry: by infecting the stomache or intestines directly; via neuro- pathways (through the nervous systems and brain); infecting the liver and interfering with liver function; and through adipotropic effects (after infecting fat cells).

Here are a few references that show H5N1 bird flu can infect the stomache, intestines and liver:



Gastrointestinal manifestations, raised liver enzymes, renal failure unrelated to rhabdomyolysis, and pancytopenia were unusually prominent.

Clinical features and rapid viral diagnosis of human disease associated with avian influenza A H5N1 virus. Lancet. 1998 Feb 14;351(9101):467-71. PMID: 9482437

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A/Hong Kong/483/97 virus was isolated from a fatal case and was highly pathogenic in the BALB/c mouse model, whereas A/Hong Kong/486/97 virus was isolated from a case with mild illness and exhibited a low-pathogenicity phenotype in mice. Ferrets infected intranasally with 10(7) 50% egg infectious doses (EID(50)) of either H5N1 virus exhibited severe lethargy, fever, weight loss, transient lymphopenia, and replication in the upper and lower respiratory tract, as well as multiple systemic organs, including the brain. Gastrointestinal symptoms were seen in some animals.

Pathogenesis of avian influenza A (H5N1) viruses in ferrets. J Virol. 2002 May;76(9):4420-9. PMID: 11932409

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We report the first case of avian influenza in a patient with fever and diarrhea but no respiratory symptoms. Avian influenza should be included in the differential diagnosis for patients with predominantly gastrointestinal symptoms, particularly if they have a history of exposure to poultry.

Atypical avian influenza (H5N1). Emerg Infect Dis. 2004 Jul;10(7):1321-4. PMID: 15324560





Signals from the liver and central nervous system make people feel full - and interruptions to these signals can make them feel hungry. Ie.:



Preabsorptive satiety may consist of multiple factors which probably include signals from osmoreceptors and possibly other chemoreceptors in the upper small intestine. The signals from these receptors are neural while other products of digestion stimulate the release of humoral agents, such as cholecystokinin, which may act locally, in the liver, or on the central nervous system.

Gastrointesti nal factors in hunger and satiety. Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 1982 Summer;6(2):145-64. PMID: 6285233

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The hunger-satiety cycle involves preabsorptive and postabsorptive humoral and neuronal mechanisms. ...environmental factors, nutrients and metabolical processes and gastric contractions originate hunger signals. ...long-term satiety is then activated by the chemoreception of nutrients and peptides by the gastrointestinal system (including the liver), the CNS and by intrinsic CNS mechanisms.

Regulation of hunger and satiety in man. Dig Dis. 1991;9(5):253-68. PMID: 1752065




Different strains of H5N1 bird flu infect the central nervous system and fat cells:



The severity of lung lesions caused by the viruses was essentially similar, whereas HK483 caused more extensive lesions in the brain than did HK156. This was supported by the results of virus titration of organ homogenates, which showed that the virus titres in brains of HK483-infected mice were more than 100-fold higher than those of HK156-infected mice, while those in lungs were almost equivalent. Both viruses were detected in homogenates of the heart, liver, spleen and kidney and blood of the infected mice. Virus antigen was detected by immunohistology in the heart and liver, albeit sporadically, but caused no degenerative change in these organs. The antigen was not detected in the thymus, spleen, pancreas, kidney or gastrointestinal tract. In contrast, virus antigen was found frequently in adipose tissues attached to those organs. The adipose tissues showed severe degenerative change and the virus titres in the tissues were high and comparable to those in lungs. Thus, infection of HK156 and HK483 in our mouse model was pneumo-, neuro- and adipotropic, but not pantropic. Furthermore, HK483 showed higher neurotropism than HK156, which may account for its higher lethality.

Characterization of human influenza A (H5N1) virus infection in mice: neuro-, pneumo- and adipotropic infection. J Gen Virol. 2000 Oct;81(Pt 10):2503-10. PMID: 10993940

pneumo- A combining form from Gr, a lung; as, pneumogastric, pneumology.
neuro- relating to nerves or the nervous system.
adipo- fat, fatty; adipocyte [< Latin adip-, stem of adeps "fat"]
tropic 1. uffix> A turning toward, having an affinity for.


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