Neo Nazis Marching in Orlando

Originally posted by worldwatcher

Why not have these Nazi rallies in white neighborhoods? Why does the city officials allow the Nazi to antogonize their citizens by having them protest in black neighborhoods?

Good question.

Why? Because city officials and neo-Nazis are political buddies! Same reason why the cops usually target anarchist or communist rioters but not the neo-Nazis.

[edit on 2-25-2006 by worldwatcher]

The city of Orlando knew right well that there was almost a 100% chance of a confrontation of the groups. If they wanted to march, they should have doen it elsewhere. In essence, the city allowed the fight to happen. It is sad though that even in todays world that racism is still strong and going. In the words of Rodney King " Can't we just all get along?."

from the local 6 site:
"Those arrested were charged with disorderly conduct, battery on a law enforcement officer and wearing a mask, said Barb Jones, an Orlando police spokeswoman."

Is it illegal to wear a mask in Orlando? Lol poor trick or treaters... I think the police were lookin for whatever they could to get em in jail and good on em, get this morons off the streets and into custody!!

Originally posted by DARKJEDIG
from the local 6 site:
"Those arrested were charged with disorderly conduct, battery on a law enforcement officer and wearing a mask, said Barb Jones, an Orlando police spokeswoman."

Is it illegal to wear a mask in Orlando? Lol poor trick or treaters... I think the police were lookin for whatever they could to get em in jail and good on em, get this morons off the streets and into custody!!

Here is your answer......yes it is illegal apparently

/rmn8x
Mod Edit: Tiny URL to the rescue.

Here is a page to search the Florida statutes..

www.leg.state.fl.us...

[edit on 1-3-2006 by ZeddicusZulZorander]

the strangest thing is that the violence at these marches are mainly always started by the oposition who is rallying against those nazi marches. they are there to go and fight against them and who gets the blaim yes the nazi's evendough the leftwinged radicals ( the new facists) are starting violence .
if they were let quietly to march nobody would have said a thing and everything was fine with out violence. but always these leftwinged people are starting to throw stones and firebombs ect.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by worldwatcher

Fist-fights broke out and police made 17 arrests at a neo-Nazi rally and march Saturday through a predominantly black neighborhood.

Most of the arrests came after fights between supporters of the National Socialist Movement and angry counter-demonstrators, who were upset with the group's anti-minority message.

About 30 members of the neo-Nazi group wore khaki uniforms, black boots and red armbands with swastikas during the march through the Orlando neighborhood of Parramore. They were confronted by more than 100 protesters, some holding signs including ones that read, "Stop the hate. Stop the violence" and "Love everyone."

The cops should just wait till the Nazis are deep inside the black neighborhoods, and then just turn their backs and let the citizens show them what they mean by "Love Everyone".

Yeah, then you'd have a bunch little dead darkies.

I'm sure the South would love that...

Stratrf_Rus. "little dead darkies"? How very eloquent (not). I am just going to take a flyer here, if I'm wrong I apologize, you're supporting the nazi attempt to antagonize enough to start a riot. And in so doing, prove somehow that this makes them superior to the protestors? Thus validating their claims to racial superiority?

Ah, nevermind...I reread your post. If you're not a neo-nazi, you're a wannabe.

[edit on 26-2-2006 by seagull]

[edit on 26-2-2006 by seagull]

Originally posted by Stratrf_Rus
Yeah, then you'd have a bunch little dead darkies.

Well, at least we know where you stand...

Your credibility = 0

[edit on 26-2-2006 by loam]

Originally posted by curme
My little brother went to the rally, to counter-protest, and get into a fight. He's 16 and into the 'punk' scene. I told him it would just be easier to send the neo-nazis 20 bucks, because you are supporting them when you protest the rally and start trouble. They want the attention! That's why they go into neighborhoods that will cause the most disruption, to get on tv. If no one showed-up to protest them, ignored them, they would eventually see that rallies won't get them on the news and they will stop because it will be too much hassle to organize, with no results.

But hey, he's 16. He knows everything!

I've lurked around this forum for quite awhile, and I feel compelled to post when it comes to this subject, and maybe I can explain part of the violent reaction that is commonplace with these marches--I'll try not to stray too far from the topic.

You mentioned your brother being part of the "punk" scene.. as a fellow member of that subculture--Hold your breath.. A Skinhead, ..a black Skinhead at that, I can understand to an extent how the kid is feeling. Before everyone gets bothered and decides to start shooting "Why?", "How?", and "You're an idiot", i'd like to give a little history on something that means a lot to me--Being a skinhead.

Skinheads were a counter-culture to what was known as the Mods in England during the late 60's, heavily influenced(Style, Music) by the large influx of immigrants from the West Indies. They're basically a hybrid of mods and jamaican "rudeboys". Anywho, i'm not going to drag that out, I've done enough explaining to police and other folks in my time here on earth. If you want to read up on it, I'd suggest you check:

Wikipedia - Skinhead
This is a bare-bones, non-indepth rundown of the scene--usually laughed at, but it'll do. Most of it is nonsense when it comes to the vocabulary lessons, but it'll do.

I'll wrap this short history lesson up with a quote from Trojan Records, The largest reggae label in existance.

While its incredible success could certainly be credited in some part to the British West Indian ex-patriot community, it was undoubtedly the buying power of the white and proudly working class youth movement, the skinheads, which had the most profound effect. Unable to identify with either the teen-based style of bubblegum or the psychedelic sounds so favoured by the middle-classes, skinheads found the direct, unpretentious approach of Reggae in keeping with their lifestyle and attitudes and readily adopted the music as their own.

To get back on topic--Assuming you read some of that, naturally most of us are disgusted by how our name is thrown about by the media and the white supremacist groups. It's a disgrace to our rich subculture, and we carry the burden of being labeled as such. Therefore, many respond in a violent manner when faced with these scumbags. In fact, there are probably more non-racist and anti-racist skinheads in the united states than there are racist, and quite a few infulential Oi! bands include black members, if you were to take away the Ska and Reggae.


Here's a picture I found while browsing a local skinhead's website. It's in Orlando, the day of the march. While they're political(Reds), I appreciate some form of non-negative media coverage.




Eh, this is my first post on ATS, hopefully it's not frowned upon.

All I’ll say is that they should have the right to mach wherever they want, and say whatever they want. Their marches are no different then some other marches or protests that happen over different topics.

BH
That's just what I was going to say. Just imagine if they walked through the neighborhood and nothing happened

Or if they just got laughed at.

a new resurgence of nazi mentality is joining the fundamental religious mentality we have seen a rise over in the past few years.

These groups have been working together for a long time. Just look at the Christian Identity movement and the World Church of the Creator (now called the "Creativity Movement". Neo-nazism in America has almost allways had a strong protestant component to it. The KKK basically is an exemplar of the whole thing, even though the KKK aren't, politically speaking, fascists. Many of these groups infact don't appear to be fascists.

Anyway, neonazi & racist organizations in the US represent about 1% of the population, and have represented that amount for a long while. I don't see them gaining any more of a foothold in the US, ultimately. That percentage is almost what you'd expect from "background " or "noise" activity.

Simcity4Rushour
dont they read history the nazis were killing white jews

Hell, many of the neo-nazis would probably be eliminated by the nazis had they been around back then anyway. Lots of this christian-identity/neo-nazism/racist organization movement is also heavily tied up in anti-federalism and gun-rights movements. Indeed, if they were around in weimar germany, the nazis'd've used them for support, and then destroyed them, sort of like how Hitler used Thule to gain some support, but then threw its members into the Camps.

Kaotic68
I do not believe that they have capable leadership

Thats the big thing with them. The people that are leading most of these groups, they're idiots. I've seen a few documentaries that profile some specific groups, and the guys that are 'in charge' of them are morons.

since most socialist organizations promote peace and equality for all

?
Socialism and Communism talk about instigating Class Warfare to create the anarchic conditions necessary to install a Dictatorship of the People and the Party.
Social and Nationalism are two different 'paths' that can lead to the same place, thats why the nazis were able to reasonably call themselve "National Socialists".

is the group call itself that, or is the German Democratric party neo-NAZI?

They probably are saying that there is a group called the National Democratic Party and that it is a nazi-like organization.

Echtelion
Same reason why the cops usually target anarchist or communist rioters but not the neo-Nazis.

This is a good point. We have 'free speech zones' for establishment rallies, and concerns about location have been used repeatedly to stop other protests, but the neo-nazis march straight into the worst place to have their rallies.
This, however, is because of the ACLU prompted decisions that Grady mentions.
But, also, notice, we don't hear about cointel-pro like operations inside nazi rallies, with undercover police officers presenting themselves as protestors and inciting violence, in order to give the police an excuse to whip out the batons and crack some skulls.

darkjedig
Is it illegal to wear a mask in Orlando?

It is in a lot of cities. Criminal organizations wear masks in public to hide their identity while engaging in criminal actions.

get this morons off the streets and into custody!!

I wouldn't assume that the nazis were the ones getting arrested.

markluitzen
and who gets the blaim yes the nazi's evendough the leftwinged radicals ( the new facists) are starting violence .

Yeah, those poor innocent nazis, must be radicals that would actually want to punch them in the face!

tvarscki
naturally most of us are disgusted by how our name is thrown about by the media and the white supremacist groups

Indeed, there are racist and non-racists skin-heads. There's a bit of a debate over what exactly came first, did punk music mutate into ska when it was mixed with reggae, or was ska first, and then one tangent lead to punk, another to reggae, etc. So there is, and I think its understandable, some confusion over the issue.
Regardless, the public's introduction to this sub-culture was racist skinheads, hence the synonymy of terms.

Eh, this is my first post on ATS, hopefully it's not frowned upon.

First post? Well it was a damned good one! A good explanation and a perspective that doesn't get seen much here! Thanks!

Westpoint23
Their marches are no different then some other marches or protests that happen over different topics.

Do you feel that the people arrested at the NYC Republican Convention Protests, arrested in Central Park or for moving off the sidewalks, were wronged?

Do you feel that the people arrested at the NYC Republican Convention Protests, arrested in Central Park or for moving off the sidewalks, were wronged?

That depends, if they showed up and peacefully protested in the areas they said they were going to protest, then yes, I would say they were wronged. However, if they caused a disruption on purpose and violated the terms of their protest permit then, no, they were not wronged.

We had a "Tollerance" conference at our college(Western Carolina) recently, and the Nazis crashed it. I wasnt there, but one of my friends was. They didnt make trouble but made numerous attempts to get the microphone to ask questions, thank goodness it never made it otherwise there may have been a riot or some type of violence most likely. These guys seem to be everywhere, maybe more than originally thought, there were reportedly between 20 and 30 of them here, and were a very small place, I wonder how many are in the entire US.

Is there a political agenda associated with this thread? Let these people march, let others decide for themselves. Socialists, special interest groups and minorities are always marching and why is there no threads about them disrupting others?

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Socialists, special interest groups and minorities are always marching and why is there no threads about them disrupting others?

You have been here for nearly a month. Maybe you haven't seen the numerous other threads about protests and demonstrations. There are plenty.

This particular thread is pointing out that a hate group is marching through neighborhoods that are populated by minorities in order to incite violence.
This doesn’t seem important enough to be on ATS to you?

I think they should be able to march wherever they want to.

Nobody is saying they shouldn't be able to say what they want to say, or march where and when they want to.

What I'm saying is that the police have better things to do than hang around and make sure no Nazis get punched in the face.

They can, and should, say whatever's on their tiny, collective mind. They can, and should, also suffer the consequences of preaching a message of hate and bigotry, if the masses disagree.

There was a time when a group of folks could roll into a town inciting hatred of Jews, and the locals would rise up and burn Jewish houses and businesses, take their money, maybe exile them from town or just have a bad old-fashioned barbeque. Now, when a group of folks rolls into town inciting hatred of Jews and Blacks and a whole host of other people, the locals rise up and punch the haters in the face.

That kicks so much ass, and I'm proud to live in a country where that's the norm, rather than an exception to the rule. We've made progress, so let's not lose it all by frowning on people who stand up to Nazis and tell them to # OFF!

Nazis usually arent the ones that start the trouble.

Yeah, if you don't count the attempted genocide.

But I guess the Jews started that by grinding the bones of Christians for their bread, right?

Come off it, their ideology is indefensible.

How dare those people actually express their dislike for the Neo-nutzi's marching through their neighborhoods. Those poor little choirboy, racial sepratists were just out enjoying the warm Florida sun. No, they weren't even thinking about instigating a fight that they could twist to attempt to validate their twisted ideology. I mean seriously, how could a group of people while walking to the beach, or whereever, whilst chanting innocent little slogans like "white power" etc... through a predominantly minority neighborhood be at all instigative? Poor, poor widdle misunderstood Nutzi's .

For those Nutzi's out there...that's called sarcasm.