Originally posted by Jamuhn
I don't think this is a fair assessment. Jews went to Israel because of Anti-Zionism in Europe, and early European immigrants to America went
because of religious persecution.
Well technically wrong, because Zionism started with the aim of returning the Jews to Israel so anti-zionism would have to start after Zionism had
started. But the crux of the issue is correct, you cut your losses and make the best of the situation, obstinance wont pay off.
So, by reason of argument, the Jews can be seen as oppressing Palestinians.
Migration is not oppression, as many civilisations across the world have shown. Though it might mean a small period of racial bias but this doesnt
imply to Palestine as the segragation here is not about race but about the sanctity of life.
Both sides have the right to live on that land. I think you are sorely mistaken if you think the Palestinians are simply going to give-up their
How can one determine whos has right over any land ? Do we take the historical connection with a peice of land or do we base rights on the occupation
of a people at one point in time ? In both cases the Jews have a right and in the latter case the Arabs too, but since when has this been the
determining factor of a large scale immigration ?
I am certain that the Palestinians will not give up their cause any time soon and if such wisdom prevailed then it would be shocking to say the least.
The point here being that how long will they fight with no hope in sight ? and more importantly, what make them still believe that they will acheive
their aims ?
Nothing since the creation of Israel has shown any sign that the Jews will relent and in fact with each passing conflict Israel has only strengthened
its hold in the region. What next ? Arm Iran with a nuke and try again ? Israel has over 400 ! The absolute futility of the Palestinian position and
the obstinancy of its exponents is shocking.
As much as you believe that peace will not work and the Palestinians should move out, you and .......reverse about Israel will have to wake up to the
facts and accept that a resolution must occur for two peoples
This is the utopian illusion that people like to dream about, both sides sitting down and signing a resolution for eternal peace !! But what about the
The Clinton peace initiative, the Disengagement Plan, the Gaza pull out, the recognition of the PLA etc has yeilded close to nothing .
A reasonable resolution can only be reached when both sides bring something to the table, the Palestinians have got nothing, excluding the threat of
launching suicide attacks while the Israelis have already given much and can bring some things more to the table. But my point here is why should the
Israelis do that ? They almost have what they want and as for the threat of suicide bombings, these only reinforce world opinion for the Israelis and
gets more condemnation for the Palestinians. Also even with the concessions the Isrealis make the threat of 'reinitiating' violence has always been
used as a threat at latter meetings, so any commitment on that is futile. The whole resolution idea is futile as the Palestinians can offer nothing
If no side works for peace, then you'll have as much right to criticize suicide bombers as pro-Palestinians will have to criticize Israeli military
What exactly is peace for the individual groups? Bliss for the Palestinians would seem to be the state of expectant lull after a fresh wave of
terrorist bombings have gone off. What do they hope to acheive through peace ? An sudden end to the general state of destitution and all the comforts
of the 'Jewish side' across the West Bank ?
And when you say both sides need to work for peace, what concrete steps exactly other than a lot of talking have the Palestinians taken towards
Even if the Palestinians want to they cant reign in the Terrorists, the Fatah govt claimed that it tried but that didnt stop attacks on Jewish
settlements. Israel recognized the PLA and arafat even thought it was the terrorist organization that was responsible for many attacks and yet now the
people of Palestine have returned back to square one with another terrorist group at the helm !
What is the point of going throught this charade of negotiating again with this group Hamas? For only to spawn some other militant group that will
come to power and start the process all over again.
I dont see the reciprocity in this.
Another observation, the fact that Israel is predominantly Jewish shows that it is as religious as the Palestinian government. This is a political
conflict, not a religious one.
Even though Israel is predominantly Jewish, few are orthodox and the militant amongst them are shunned. The state of Israel which is a Zionist
concept is based on the plurality of faith. That always was part of the basic idea in Zionism and still is.
For the palestinians however, with the inclusion of the neighbouring arab states, it has been made into a polarized conflict between religions. For
the Israelis however, it is about security and the right to exsist without persecution. Isrealis and the Palestinians are, in essencem fighting for
different things all together.
And though it is a political conflict, the inclusion of the 'Muslim world' into the conflict has made it a relgious one.
[edit on 26-2-2006 by IAF101]