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Jeremiah 50:9 For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows shall be as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain. 10 And Chaldea shall be a spoil: all that spoil her shall be satisfied, saith the LORD.
Originally posted by Valhall
I don't even understand what you are trying to ask. You ask where are the prophecy experts...then you insinuate that the quoted prophecy is being fulfilled...and immediately say "are they afraid to admit they are wrong".
It doesn't make sense. Is who afraid to admit they are wrong? The prophecy experts? You? I don't understand what you're trying to imply. Can you please restate clearly?
[edit on 2-25-2006 by Valhall]
I humbly and respectfully disagree. Iraq is NOT Babylon.
Don't be fools people, America is dying a slow, spiritual death. I'm so tired of the crowd who moans and groans and just can't accept the possibility that WE are indeed the end times Babylon that is spoken of in the Bible. I suggest you all open your minds because I think it's more than a mere possibility.
Jer 50 and 51 has to do with the judgement of Babylon and the land of the Chaldeans for destroying God temple.
We'll deffinitely be disagreeing on this for the forseeable future.(Kinda' makes these discussions fun now doesn't it?)
Please explicate on this with something to back it up:
Jeremiah 50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple.
49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth. 50 Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind. 51 We are confounded, because we have heard reproach: shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the sanctuaries of the LORD'S house. 52 Wherefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will do judgment upon her graven images: and through all her land the wounded shall groan.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
If historical Babylon is in Iraq and you believe the Babylon of Revelation is the US, isn't it a moot point since the USA invaded and occupies Iraq right now?
We control Babylon whether it's in downtown Baghdad or downtown Manhattan.
[edit on 2/26/2006 by mythatsabigprobe]
Not so fast Sun Matrix. (I'm not going to forget America in Jer 50 and 51)
From your understanding how many 'interations' of Babylon are there in the Bible? We first need to see if we agree on that one.. Let me give you a hint. The "final" Babylon is not the same as the first.
Let's go to Ezekiel: (He is CLEARLY talking about the final Babylon.. after reading all of the versus in 30 which talks about Gog and Magog it is clear that the 'invaders' of Israel In the final war fall under the sword of the KING OF BABYLON.. THE SAME BABYLON THAT IS DESTROYED IN REVELATION)
19 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army.
Ezekiel 30:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon. 11 He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.
Eze 30:24 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and put my sword in his hand: but I will break "Pharaoh's" arms, and he shall groan before HIM with the groanings of a deadly wounded man.
Eze 30:25 But I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the arms of Pharaoh shall fall down; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall put my sword into the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of Egypt.
No, according to me, it has already happened. Check history.
Hmm.. "when I shall put my sword in the the hand of the king of Babylon, and he shall stretch it out upon the land of EGYPT" According to you.. Iraq is going to stretch her hand out over the land of Egypt.. NOT
Eze 32:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.
Ok Sun Matrix.. come again?
The first temple, Solomons Temple.......Hope you had a good weekend, I await your reply.
Also, please give us your deffinition of 'The Temple of Israel" as it is used in this instance?
No, according to me, it has already happened. Check history.
If I understand your question correctly, the answer can be two, three, or four depending on how you want to look at it.
TX., these versus have absolutely nothing to do with Gog and Magog. I'm not sure where you got this info. In Ezekiel 29:4, it talks about putting a hook in Egypts jaw just like the prophecy of Gog and Magog but it says nothing about going up against Israel with Russia and Iran. In Ezekiel 30:5 it mentions Ethiopia and Put just like in Gog and Magog but that's about it.
This is where we are not going to agree. It HAS not happened yet.
This statement illustrates your current 'level' of understanding (or interpretation if you will). Mines not 100% of course but you are deffinitely light years off. 2.. 3.. or 4 versions of Babylon? Come on.. you can do better than that.
Consider these scriptures:Eze 37:12, Jer 30:10, Jer 30:11--so what do you think these scriptures are talking about and where do they fit in on 'your timeline'? (Hopefully it will help you with your 'time line')
No matter what you say, Israel coming back into her land is an Indisputable marker in the Bible and it might help you build you timeline around that instead of your own ideas
I'll debate with you more on Gog/Magog in Ezekiel later when I have time.. but you have something to chew on for now.