Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreationI understand that you might have been forced to swallow alot of crap in your life (As we all have), now you have wisened up to realize the hypocrocy (first step). You're too smart to swallow amymore.

See, this is an example of a cold read. I have BOOKS on cold reads. This is what psychics learn to do, and do it well. Basic cold reads are stuff that you can say to almost ANYONE yet sounds like it's amazingly specific for them, but in reality, it's specific to everyone. Example: You sometimes wish you could be a little more outgoing, but at times, you wish you could develop deeper relationships.

That crap sounds deep, but as I've shown, that can be said to just about anyone. The real expert cold reader, however, actually does a bit of psychoanalysis based on a person's body language, way of speaking, etc. etc. etc. (so he basically is able to extrapolate a bigger or deeper picture of a person's personality traits and tendencies based on a number of qualities he observes...a lot this is subtle, like the way words are put together, tonality, pacing of speech, diction...good sales people also must be good at reading people, although they probably do it on a more unconscious level) and then tailiors his cold read accordingly. That takes a LOT more skill. This is also how mental magicians (e.g. Banachek) do their crazy tricks.

I also wouldn't be surprised if menguard is well-versed in NLP (neuro-linguistic programming), which is outlawed in some states, but nonetheless exceedingly difficult to convict anyone of employing this powerful and persuasive psychological tool.

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Mengaurd doesn't claimed to be a phsycic. DP only called him one. I wasn't giving you a pshycic breakdown, I was only trying to relate with you. You definitely seem short-fused on the issue of possibility. I don't know what else to say. (Here is a shot at prognosticating) I predict you will soon have a vast change of heart on certain critical focus-points. Let me know how I am as a pshycic. AAC

I feel where your at now. I would agree with what you are saying, considering that POV. I am suggesting that there is something called the Akashic Records (google it) that holds past/present/future on one level of consciousness. Mengaurd is reaching his higher self's perspective, to relate with, then answers the questions. I agree, most psychics I've known are crap, or really ignorant. Mengaurds answers aren't coming from traditional pshycic reads. It is just another level up, with a perrennial knowledge of things. Truthfully, you have to be at a certain place to cooralate with the possibility. It's not naiveness, or gullability, (most time it is) that are getting the truths, it is the "openness" to the possibility of everything. AAC

What in the world is "openness?" It's just some euphemism, if you can even call it that. Openness is just the absence of bias. THAT IS ALL.

I am not biased. I consider myself to be extremely extremely objective/logical.

Again, there is NOTHING special about menguard's reads. How in the world are they of a higher consciousness or whatever? All his stuff can be said to a wide range of people. Nothing specific like so-and-so owns a minx cat.

At times, you wish you were a little more outgoing. At other times, you wish you could just burrow deep into your safe spot and enjoy the solitude.

Sometimes you wish you knew more people or were more popular, but sometimes you wish you could deepen your relationships.

You build these walls around yourself and you don't let others in easily, but once they're in, they're in forever.

You're also phenomenally loyal about people you care about.

I looked up "Akashic Records" in Google. Too much to read. I get the basic idea though. Menguard has NOT proven that he has access to these records (and that's assuming it exists...I need a reason to believe it exists in the first place).

Menguard's answers to questions are also very generic. It doesn't take a genius...just some creativity...to come up with answers. I can probalby come up with better ones since not only am I creative, but I'm also somewhat of a genius.

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Originally posted by thiopental sodium
I looked up "Akashic Records" in Google. Too much to read. I get the basic idea though. Menguard has NOT proven that he has access to these records (and that's assuming it exists...I need a reason to believe it exists in the first place).

Menguard's answers to questions are also very generic. It doesn't take a genius...just some creativity...to come up with answers. I can probalby come up with better ones since not only am I creative, but I'm also somewhat of a genius.

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Gentlemen's disagreement. I do think that you are not yet ready to believe, you are too much a skeptic because of the millions of falsehoods in our world (I know it is hard). But, the fact that you haven't read all of Mengaurds posts, and didn't feel like reading more about Akashic Records, leads me to believe you're not ready. Let me know how my prognostication turns out. I wish you the best. AAC

Are you saying that I am biased or that I am skeptical?

If you're saying that I am biased, that is UTTERLY ABSURD. You have the burden to show me that I am biased. I've already provided ample explanation of how you are biased.

This is the kind of CRAP that degenerates ATS into a cesspool of retarded GULLIBBLE 6-year olds who want to believe in everything.

Stop making assertions and start making logical arguments as this is what ATS is all about. DENY IGNORANCE.

EDIT: And you are damn right that I am skeptical. EVERYONE should always be skeptical until evidence is provided. Don't tell me to just blindly believe in something. You say I'm not ready. Tell me WHY I'm not ready and what it takes to be ready. This is absurd.

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As for your prognostication, they are cold reads. Cold reads are designed to be true with most people.

So tell me, how did MY prognostications turn out with you?

True as well too, huh? Do you think I am psychic now? Sorry to tell you this, but I copied and pasted those from my cold-reading notes lol.

What also annoys me is that these people are CONNING people through trickery and deceit. Of course, the people paying psychics their fat wallets are dumb enough to be gullible, but still, these psychics are shameless.

For the record, I do believe it is VERY VERY possible that REAL psychic powers exist. It's scientifically possible I think. This includes remote viewing and telekinesis.

I'm not seeing this though with menguard. He is a shameless charlatan, and it's sad to see ATSers being suckers to his gimmick.

And by the way, I read a lot more of his posts in that thread. All the same cold-reading tricks.

Originally posted by thiopental sodium
Are you saying that I am biased or that I am skeptical?

EDIT: And you are damn right that I am skeptical. EVERYONE should always be skeptical until evidence is provided.
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Unfortunately your contradiction is evident. Are you skeptical or not? Definition? All your links were skeptics that never understood. You have a common ground now. How do you describe blue to a man born blind? Where would you start? (rhetorical question). AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation

Originally posted by thiopental sodium
Are you saying that I am biased or that I am skeptical?

EDIT: And you are damn right that I am skeptical. EVERYONE should always be skeptical until evidence is provided.
[edit on 25-2-2006 by thiopental sodium]

Unfortunately your contradiction is evident. Are you skeptical or not? Definition? All your links were skeptics that never understood. You have a common ground now. How do you describe blue to a man born blind? Where would you start? (rhetorical question). AAC

There is no contradiction. But if you don't understand logic very well, I can see why you might think it's contradictory. Look, skepticism and biases are NOT the same thing. Skepticism creates disbelief due to SOUND LOGIC. Biases create disbelief due to a LACK OF LOGIC (e.g. pure emotional appeal). I suggest you take a logic or philosophy course, and if you fail, don't feel bad...just know that you probably shouldn't be attempting to debate since it requires logic.

As for the common ground, this is an OFFENSIVE blatant use of ad populum. Also, your statement CLEARLY underscores your bias - you clearly disapprove of all skeptics and it's this bias that prevents you from even giving a skeptic's argument a chance for you to understand...it's this bias that is causing you to be CLOSED-MINDED to naysayer's arguments and it's causing you to immediately and BLINDLY dismiss everything as false, even if it has some truth in it. In fact, everyone should embrace and encourage skepticism. We need to encourage sound evidence before believing in anything.

To further underline your negligent use of logic, this is how I would describe a blind man the color blue. I would firstly tell him HOW he would be unable to understand the color blue. Also, your analogy is a poor one. It doesn't fit in this situation unless you want to explain HOW I am also unable to understand menguard.

Now...how do you feel if I were to say this to you now:

AAC, I am here to claim that you are a transexual crossdresser. How do I know this? Because I have a higher understanding. If you don't believe me, it's because you're either not ready to believe or you haven't reached the same plane of consciousness as I have. Sorry if you don't realize you're a transexual crossdresser. P.S. If you don't recall your transexual crossdressing experiences, it's because your unconscious mind is erasing your conscious memories. Only if you start to believe then you will be able to start recollecting your memories from your unconscious and they will become conscious.

Also, there's an invisible cat sitting right next to you. You don't believe it? Well, how are you going to show me the invisible cat doesn't exist there?

Does these lines of reasoning (if you can even call it that) look familiar?

How do you respond to each of my points here, AAC

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It doesn't fit in this situation unless you want to explain HOW I am also unable to understand menguard.

EXACTLY! That was the reason for the rhetircal question (That you obviously couldn't comprehend either)

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Don't be upset or feel segregated, you're only doing the best that you know how. I'm not mad at you. The cross-dresser metaphor was borderline counter-productive though. As for debating. You couldn't be more wrong. As for being bias or a skeptic, fine, we can agree. I was almost laughing because the first part of what you were saying was literally meant for YOU! It's funny how the subconscious works, oh wait, you think that's hoaky too.

In this case we really need to agree to disagree. But the crazy part is that you don't have to believe in what I'm saying to make it true. Can you say the same? AAC

OK, now I'm 110% convinced you are IMPOSSIBLE to have a discussion because you are certifiably 110% deluded beyond help. You have no basic understanding of logic and I am saying all this to warn everyone else to read your posts with a HUGE HUGE GIGANTIC grain of salt.

The crossdresser metaphor is perfect but you aren't able to understand it because you don't have the intellectual capacity (because of your bias(es) and/or your genuine lack of intellect) to understand allegories. The crossdresser metaphor is perfect because follows YOUR exact same line of reasoning but with a subject matter that really is obviously false to emphasize that your line of reasoning ALONE is just absurd as the subject matter.

Does that make sense? If not, I'm gonna cease all attempts to try to reason with you.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I was almost laughing because the first part of what you were saying was literally meant for YOU!

This again shows how unfit you are to have a serious discussion at any considerable depth. The real irony here is that you try to throw rhetoric at me and I reply back with more rhetoric but you FAIL to recognize my obvious rhetoric and instead interpret it as LITERAL. LMAO.

Also, don't pretend premature victory. How would you feel if you've spent all that time and effort writing arguments and then I were to just post, "AAC, don't be a sore loser!"

Time and time again, I prove you are unfit for a serious discussion. At this point, I don't care about disproving you. I just want people like you to stop degenerating ATS into 3rd grade debate, but the thing is that you're worse because you have a false sense of confidence because of a few parlor tricks you know...and this is horrible because some newbies may buy into your confidence and listen to you. Horrible.

I challenge you to find one other person on ATS that agrees with you. Have them read this entire thread and your eyes will open. I will give you a week. AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I challenge you to find one other person on ATS that agrees with you. Have them read this entire thread and your eyes will open. I will give you a week. AAC

I already have other ATSers who agree with me, dude.

Also, no way in hell I'm looking for more people like that in Paranormal. I'm inviting my physicist and philosophy friends to read this. Several are reading it right now in fact. You are so deluded beyond help. I'm not insulting you. I'm trying to help you realize your folly.

EDIT: This reminds me of that Flying Rods thread. I kept saying OVER AND OVER again the exact same reason why flying rods are optical illusions and some people just won't take it...and then finally somebody posts a link that was saying the EXACT same thing I've been saying and now those people agree with me. People need to be able to be convinced by sound reasnoning, not just be authority/status (and it's funny how people consider links to be authoritative lmao).

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Originally posted by thiopental sodium

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
I challenge you to find one other person on ATS that agrees with you. Have them read this entire thread and your eyes will open. I will give you a week. AAC

I already have other ATSers who agree with me, dude.

Also, no way in hell I'm looking for more people like that in Paranormal. I'm inviting my physicist and philosophy friends to read this. Several are reading it right now in fact. You are so deluded beyond help. I'm not insulting you. I'm trying to help you realize your folly.

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What does a physicist have to do with anything?