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There is only one Conspiracy...the Matrix has you.

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posted on Apr, 3 2006 @ 10:48 AM
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Prot0n,

Personal attacks? Thread hijacking? LOL. Your just not used to getting painted into the corner with the facts, are you? I hate to waste my time readdressing the facts that forced you to quit responding in the threads questioned, but whatever.







Sun, Why do you continously lie? Are you a pathalogical liar or something? You never used to article to disprove an OPINION. All you did was stop at ONE section on the FIRST page without reading any furthur. Quit lying to me, you only lose credability in anything you've got to say.

Answered in last question below.






Sun, you've avoided the fact's in that other thread continously. Me and mytym have been trying to explain to you how ignorant of math you are. Sun, again.. What is 600 - 500?


I covered this completely, but you again refuse to face facts
Genesis Chapter 5 is a genealogy of the people and at the end of chapter 5 it says:



Genesis 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

So you want to say that Noah is 500 at the start of Chapter 6, when in fact he is 500 when he has 3 sons in verse 10.


Genesis 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.


It's all pretty clear when you go back to the thread. I even gave you a simple math problem as an explanation. Noted below.
Chapter 1

It all started with John. He had a son named Jeff. Jeffs son was Jack.

Jack was 10 years old, and for his birthday received a bow and arrow and killed 3 bears.

Chapter 2

And it came to pass that there were three bears living in the woods. For five years straight the 3 bears spent the winter in the cabin on the lake.

Jack said, "Those bears keep ruining the cabin" I'm going to deal with that someday.

Someday came, and Jack killed 3 bears.

Question: How old approximately was Jack when the bears started spending the winter in the cabin.

(as you can see, Jack is not 10 at the start of chapter 2, and neither is Noah 500 at the start of Genesis chapter 6.

But you don't really need my example problem to see the facts, you just need to face the facts.



The seed issue you were also ignorant on. Your either the most ignorant person I've met or your the biggest pathological liar I've met. I still can't decide which. Could possibly be both!


Been coverd so many times, but again, the problem is not the facts, it' you facing them. Genesis 3 shows that the seed of the woman will crush the the head of the serpent. Jesus is the seed and was born of a virgin as we know, if it was otherwise, the father would be listed as the seed.



Genesis 3:15 I will put hostility between you and the woman,
and between your seed and her seed.
He will strike your head,
and you will strike his heel.





That's your supporter? As I pointed out, he nor you were not discussing the article at all. You stopped at one section alone and all he did was semi agree with a babylon origin. Either learn to read or stop lying to me. I stopped posting due to your diversionary tactics. I will post a reply ON TOPIC when I've done more research
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I'm referring to this comment. Someone else noticed that the answer was in the very article that you posted.


"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. the guy says so himself : they came from mesopotamia





And as I keep having to say, I will not reply to your diversionary tactics and lies.

That's fine, since I don't have any. I guess I should quit responding to yours, but instead I will just drag your comments to the proper thread and take them apart there.
I see you have made some new posts in the threads that this crap should be in. Hope I have time to get to it tonight. In the futute try to stay in the threads with your responses if you can.




posted on Apr, 3 2006 @ 11:29 AM
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Personal attacks? Thread hijacking? LOL. Your just not used to getting painted into the corner with the facts, are you? I hate to waste my time readdressing the facts that forced you to quit responding in the threads questioned, but whatever.


Personal attacks? I didn't say anything about personal attacks, again with more lies. Thread hijacking yes, your discussing Babylon in that other thread which has nothing at all to do with the website's. Nor have I stopped posting, again with more lies. The only thing I haven't done was reply to your diversionary tactics, which I don't even know why I have to keep bringing this up.



I covered this completely, but you again refuse to face facts
Genesis Chapter 5 is a genealogy of the people and at the end of chapter 5 it says:

... SNIP ...

So you want to say that Noah is 500 at the start of Chapter 6, when in fact he is 500 when he has 3 sons in verse 10.


Are you seriously incapable of math? I'll take this into the thread in question.



Been coverd so many times, but again, the problem is not the facts, it' you facing them. Genesis 3 shows that the seed of the woman will crush the the head of the serpent. Jesus is the seed and was born of a virgin as we know, if it was otherwise, the father would be listed as the seed.


No, Jesus was not born of a virgin, as you indirectly admited in part of our flood problem. Or are you incapable of seeing the obvious?



I'm referring to this comment. Someone else noticed that the answer was in the very article that you posted.


I'm aware of that, but the explanation's or direction of discussion had nothing to do with the article, it dealt with your garbage of babylon. Again, read the rest of the articles. Don't stop at just ONE section. There's a little link at the bottom of the page, if your having trouble finding it, I'll post the link for you.



That's fine, since I don't have any. I guess I should quit responding to yours, but instead I will just drag your comments to the proper thread and take them apart there.


Wow... Just wow. I never knew ignorance could be a tool to "take apart" something. This should be interesting.



I see you have made some new posts in the threads that this crap should be in. Hope I have time to get to it tonight. In the futute try to stay in the threads with your responses if you can.


You brought it up first. Take your own advice.



posted on Apr, 4 2006 @ 01:52 AM
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Sun Matrix

I read your opening comments to the start of the thread over a month ago and last night decided to read the thread again last night, where i got up to about page 9.

When i first watched the Matrix movie when it first came out did`nt get the parallels to Christianity,though i did the second time around not long after.

Which brings me to the question was the author of the Matrix a sold out Christian or out for a quick buck?or.......

As in the movie (forget the name of the guy)the Judas type fellow who would rather belong to the matrix than fighting against it.I believe i have seen these type of people on ATS myself as i`m sure you have or will.

All in all i think you`ve done a good job in making the comparisons to the movie to how a Christian views the world in which we live,and if it was`nt for Satan this site would cease to exist,this is the conspiracy,because He is the father of lies,but even Satan cannot mess with free will,it comes down to choice on what and who you believe.

I`m usually blown away by people who dont realize Satan Himself is working overtime on them not to accept and choose the Truth.Belief has to come first which is the big leap people are afraid to make to be able to see.But unlike the movie people can and do make that leap first time tried,and also where Neo bleeds for the first time because of the failed leap and is confused as to why.This is a spiritual war we fight and a hurt spirit will hurt the physical body as well.

Another is like the young guys on the Nebuchadnezzar,some are born outside of the matrix,(being those who have Christian parents or beliefs)though unlike the movie and in real life this can sometimes cause their young to want to experience the matrix and discard Christianity because they are sick and tired of being different from the norm and tired of the struggles to keep it out of ones life for reasons they are not completely sure.

I could keep going with a lot more comparisons but in the end its only a movie and best kept that way or as someone linked earlier,people can obsess over things and forget whats important because some have made it their religion?.

I did learn some things from the thread this far and from others,so
from me.



posted on Apr, 4 2006 @ 02:33 AM
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The real world is the world constructed to shelter you from the truth. Smoke some salvia and you'll see.

Sorry, but all we are is perception. Now we're perceiving that our perceptions are actually just perceptions. Well yeah, duh. But it also doesn't mean that were floating in suntan beds. Because well, nothing is really happening. You see something, hear something, smell something, etc., these are just perceptions. All of our knowledge is based on perceptions.

So I ask of you, if a tree falls in the forest and no one was there to hear it, was there really a forest?!?!?!

Who cares?!?!?

Lets be concerned about things we can change, like the government.

(censor circumvention)




[edit on 7-4-2006 by masqua]



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Lets be concerned about things we can change, like the government.


Government is controlled. You just think you have choice.

Until your eyes are opened, how can you know what to change.



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:12 PM
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ive said it before and ill say it again....


the natural man cant understand the things of the spirit: they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

spirit is outside this pysical world. man will never understand it or the bible until, what the bible calls, being born again. once we tap into that spirit, only then can we see and understand what is going on. we will see the truth. nimrod was one of the first of many to gather man together against their creator. to this day it is in full force. the new world order will be the final empire to stand up to the creator. who will be in charge? who do you think? everything mankind has been taught has been to decieve and maniputlate to keep you from the truth. this is why the christ tells us....

the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." 1 John 5:19

"...do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, Romans 12:2



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 11:25 PM
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An interesting tid bit.

The International Red Cross will not and has not recognized the Jewish Star of David as an international symbol. It has recognized the Red Crescent of the Muslims and the Red Sun and Lion of Iran. The Israelis are trying to get them to recognize the Red Diamond as their symbol. The growing pagan movement is trying to stop it.





Norse pagans offended by choice of sacred rune to replace Star of David

Magen David Adom (MDA), the Israeli equivalent of the Red Cross, may adopt the Ingwaz rune, appropriating a symbol sacred to the growing numbers of people who practice the ancient pagan religion of the Norse, German, English and kindred peoples. The religion, called Asatru or Odinism, is growing in popularity amongst Whites searching for their lost spiritual and cultural roots. It is one of the two official religions of Iceland and has been officially recognized by the United States government since the early 1970s




www.nationalvanguard.org...

What is Odinism? Odin is the Norse great war god. Same as Nimrod from Babylon. Same lie, different name. Alive and well and still blinding the world.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 05:26 AM
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What is Odinism? Odin is the Norse great war god. Same as Nimrod from Babylon. Same lie, different name. Alive and well and still blinding the world.


Odin was way more then your typical war god. I'd say Odin would be on par with your God or Jesus (even though you claim to not be religous lmao).

Look at God, he has wars waged in his name.
Look at Jesus, he fortells an end to the world, just as Odin does.
Look at the teaching's, it's no different then what Odin teach's. Just worded different, same ideas though.

You worship the 'same lie'.

Odinism is a neo-pagan movement btw. One which doesn't worship Odin alone, but the whole pantheon. The 'proper' name is Ásatrú. You should learn abit more about Odin, he's an awsome guy. Definately not some big old mean war god as your probably picturing it lol.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 07:15 AM
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Odinism is a neo-pagan movement btw. One which doesn't worship Odin alone, but the whole pantheon. The 'proper' name is Ásatrú. You should learn abit more about Odin, he's an awsome guy. Definately not some big old mean war god as your probably picturing it lol


I am very aware of who Odin is and the neo-pagan movement. It's in the Bible.

Have you looked further into the historical time line of Nimrod? You should be encountering things that don't add up. Look beyond the surface.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 07:18 AM
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Look at Jesus, he fortells an end to the world, just as Odin does.


What does Odin have to say about it?



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 07:44 AM
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I am very aware of who Odin is and the neo-pagan movement. It's in the Bible.


Where's Odin mentioned in the bible? Or the whole pantheon of teutonic Gods? It's not in the bible lol. We gotta think of a good liar's nickname for you lol.



Have you looked further into the historical time line of Nimrod? You should be encountering things that don't add up. Look beyond the surface.


Exactly what would you personally like to have us believe about Noahs sone Nimrod, the King of Babylon? I'm sure that's what your wanting, not for the truth, but for agreement on what YOUR opinions are of the truth.



What does Odin have to say about it?


Silly question to ask when you claim to know about Odin.

Here's an interesting prophecy for the teutonic end time's.

"Ragnarök will be preceded by the Fimbulwinter, the winter of winters. Three successive winters will follow each other with no summer in between. As a result, conflicts and feuds will break out, and all morality will disappear."

Wasn't there a pentagon report leaked about a possible impending ice age by 2020?



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 08:00 AM
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Where's Odin mentioned in the bible? Or the whole pantheon of teutonic Gods? It's not in the bible lol. We gotta think of a good liar's nickname for you lol.

If you know Nimrod, you know Odin, you know Saturn, you know Thor, you know Ares, You know Mars, You know Cupic, you know Eros, you know Zeus, you know Kronos, you know Pluto, you know Poseidon, you know Pluto, you know Neptune, you know Mercury, you know Hermes, you know Jupiter, you know Osiris, you know Wodan, you know Atlas, you know Dagon. you know Molech.

Same lie, different names. Sure there is variations and twists, but it is the lie that blinds the world.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 08:07 AM
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You have a very perverse understanding of history. Especially that of religous belief's. I almost feel pitty for you. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Prot0n
You have a very perverse understanding of history. Especially that of religous belief's. I almost feel pitty for you. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?


I suggest you do a little research, beyond the Matrix, the lie that blinds the world.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 09:14 AM
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Still have yet to say anything of substance. Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone. All it does is make yourself feel better because you can read and connect some dots. When asked for essense you just fall back on your christian programming. There's not one bit of practicality in the "word matrix" you are using to blind people further that may happen to read this thread.

If a blind man leads a blind man, they both will fall in the ditch. Before they fall you can here them congradulating each other on how well they can see. If there ever was a parable for this thread, that's it.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 04:27 PM
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Still have yet to say anything of substance. Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone. All it does is make yourself feel better because you can read and connect some dots. When asked for essense you just fall back on your christian programming. There's not one bit of practicality in the "word matrix" you are using to blind people further that may happen to read this thread. If a blind man leads a blind man, they both will fall in the ditch. Before they fall you can here them congradulating each other on how well they can see. If there ever was a parable for this thread, that's it.


You are welcome to step forward with some substance.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone.


The essense is that you are living in a world designed to keep you from the truth. I think I have proved some of that even if you can't see it.

You again are welcome to step forward and attempt to shed some light, if you are able.



posted on Apr, 7 2006 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix



Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone.


The essense is that you are living in a world designed to keep you from the truth. I think I have proved some of that even if you can't see it.

You again are welcome to step forward and attempt to shed some light, if you are able.



Just checking to see if you're still in your box. I've already attempted to shed light in this thread but it was rebuffed by christian programming. Can't shed light if people cover their eyes.

Pardon the interruption. Feel free to carry on telling everyone they are blind.



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 12:55 AM
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Still have yet to say anything of substance. Reiterating the lies doesn't get to their essense. Nor does it help anyone.


If you open your eyes, you might have learned that evey holiday is set up to honor Satan instead of the one true God. This fact alone should concern you, as you are blind to it.

If your eyes were open, you would see that you live in a world designed to keep you from the truth.

The lie has been identified straight to the source, Satan and Babylon.

Had your eyes been open, you might realize that you are very likely witnessing the fulfillment of Jeremiah 50 and 51 with the destruction of Iraq which is Babylon.

If you could see, you would see Semiramis sitting out in the New York harbor instead of Lady Liberty.

You might even understand that everything that you learn and experience is controlled. Your schooling, your TV, your government, your stock market, your banking system......................................................................

If you could see, you might understand who controls the Catholic Church, who controls the Muslims, who really controls religion.

If you had understanding, you would know where the Gnostic gospels came from and what their purpose really is.

If you had ears to hear, you might understand, that the lie is already in place to explain the Rapture---- alien abductions

If you paid attention, you could quit chasing David Ickes Reptilians. He traced them to Nimrod and Semiramis. I finshed the job for you and with one step traced them to Satan.


I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it.......if you can see?

I'll try to get to the substance as I've only scratched the surface of the world that blinds you, cause

The Matrix rolls on.............



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
"If you open your eyes"
"as you are blind to it"
"If your eyes were open"
"Had your eyes been open"
"If you could see"
"You might even understand"
"If you could see"
"If you had understanding"
"If you had ears to hear"
"If you paid attention"
"I can only show you the door"
"if you can see?"
"blinds you"


Wow. 13 self-congratulatory ego-driven pretentious statements in one post.

That right there says it all.

Your super-inflated ego rolls on...




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