It would be interesting to see whether it is really a raptor killer or not in a dogfight - interestingly enough however dogfights don't happen very often anymore - it's basically who has the superior avionics, air to air ordinance with the longest reach and the best training.
You guys already knew that though.....

personally i like the looks of the raptor more. It is more defined and pure. But I would be interested to see the two planes engage.

/\ I'm with the lady on this one. I saw the Su-37 model in a toyshop... I'm seriously thinking about getting it. Haven't had built a model in years and I just LOVE that beast.

Are dogfights dead? The old wisdom says that the dogfight will never die, that you always end up toe-to-toe. You all know about the F-4's gun pod - they had to stick onto the aircraft as an afterthought because those wonderful Sparrows weren't so wonderful after all...

But the battlefield laser will kill all that. After the JSF, we may not see the era of the UCAV at all - it may be the era of the laser- equipped hovertank / chopper / ground effect vehicle. (This is one of my pet scenarios)

Hm, these Google ads do actually work. I followed a link to a site that sells flight jackets... I could definitely do with one of those.

The Raptor (F-22) has many other secrets up its sleeve that the public are not aware of. Trust me.

Damn right. They don't clock in at $100 million a piece for nothing. There's also the question of its supercomputer - running 10,4 gigaflops a second, I believe. The secrets may be under the F-22's avionics hood.

Originally posted by Lampyridae
Damn right. They don't clock in at $100 million a piece for nothing. There's also the question of its supercomputer - running 10,4 gigaflops a second, I believe. The secrets may be under the F-22's avionics hood.

if you think there is secrets in the f-22 then think about how much secrets deos the mig have.

The new MiG Multirole Front-Line Fighter [MFI - Mnogofounksionalni Frontovoi Istrebiel ] was unveiled publicly on 12 January 1999. The project has been under development since 1986, is variously designated the 1.42, the 1.44, I-42 and I-44 - the "MiG-35" and "MiG-39" designations are informally applied by some observers. This multi-functional front-line fifth-generation fighter was developed by the MIG [Mikoyan & Gurevich] aviation scientific and production complex of the MAPO military-industrial corporation. The first prototype was delivered early in 1994, and in December 1884 taxi-tests were conducted following which further work was suspended due to a shortage of funds. The 35-ton fighter features a single under-fuselage air intake with two AL41F engines of 20 tons thrust each, and a top speed of over 2,500 km/h. The twin-tail "duck" planform features an all-moving canard-type foreplane with a wingspan of about 15 meters and a length of about 20 meters.
The MAPO-MiG enterprise claims the new fighter would be able to outperform the F-22 Raptor, the most advanced US air-superiority fighter. Although the primary mission of the MFI is air-superiority, unlike the F-22 the MFI is also capable of performing strike mission, and thus in both conception and configuration is more directly comparable to the similar multi-role EFA2000 Eurofighter. Like the American F-22, the MFI has a thrust vectoring system that allows it to make sharp turns. It also has similar stealth capabilities, with the canard, wing and fuselage structures incorporating carbon-fiber and polymer composite materials. Other stealth features include radar-absorbing covering, screening of radar-visible structure elements, and reduced heat signature. The fifth-generation pulse-doppler radar has a phased-array andtenna with electronic scanning to simultaneously attack over 20 targets. The aircraft can carry long-range air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, and it is armed with a 30-mm cannon.

In March 1997, military officials scrapped plans to manufacture the MFI because it was too expensive. The Defense Ministry supports the MFI development program, and will decide on production following flight tests that could take up to seven years. The Russian air force will not gain one new, state-of-the-art warplane before the year 2005 because of insufficient financing. No new warplanes have been acquired since 1996.

Key words Darkside and thanks....

"The MAPO-MiG enterprise claims the new fighter would be able to outperform the F-22 Raptor, the most advanced US air-superiority fighter."

"Claims" implies what...technically?
They "claiming" this by computer sims, designs, looking at spec's......what?


"In March 1997, military officials scrapped plans to manufacture the MFI because it was too expensive."

"Lack of funding"........


"The Defense Ministry supports the MFI development program, and will decide on production following flight tests that could take up to seven years. The Russian air force will not gain one new, state-of-the-art warplane before the year 2005 because of insufficient financing. No new warplanes have been acquired since 1996."

Hmmm, by that time the production of the "Raptor" will be in full swing. Playing "catch-up" is the name of the game for the Russians, eh?


regards
seekerof

Well, the Russkies were playing a pretty good game of it and they've been ahead of the curve before - look at Sputnik and Gagarin. I think the NK-33 engines, for example are a prime example of Russian ingenuity (they use oxidiser as coolant, something thought too risky by the yanks - the vodka guzzlers went ahead anyway).

All that being said, though, I do think the F-22 Raptor has the technological edge. Unless new technology is brought to bear to level the playing field, the US is currently holding all the aces. If Russia's economy magically picks up, I think they could very well create a kick-butt fighter. It's not for nothing that Boeing has a design centre in Moscow...

Nice pic, fury!

Can anyone spot the radar-giveaways on this puppy?